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Star-gazers block proposal for wind farm in Staffordshire

 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Star-gazers block proposal for wind farm in Staffordshire Reply with quote

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New Energy Focus - 05/02/09

The search for new planets in star systems light years away from Earth is coming into conflict with the need to find cleaner sources of energy closer to home.

A small wind farm proposal on the Shropshire/Staffordshire border looks set to be rejected by council planners next week, as one of the first projects where astronomy has been held as a key reason for refusing the project.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God give me strength Twisted Evil Although the headline is rather misleading.

I think the lack of an electricity supply might have a bigger impact on Jodrell Bank.....

I would imagine there are TV transmitters within 50km of Jodrell Bank?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm puzzled.

Jodrell Bank doesn't transmit radio waves in order to find planets: it listens to what's coming in. It has a very narrow beamwidth (in fact beamwidth and size of dish are in inverse proportion) so any radiowaves reflectd from wind farms (and presumably originating at some third site, ie niether wind farm nor telescope) shouldn't even register, unless the dish is pointing straight at them. At that distance, the turbines would be small on the horizon. And you wouldn't point a telescope at the horizon to find faint stuff, you'd want to pick a time when your source was higher up in the sky, to reduce scintillation (twinkling).

A far more plausible explanation is that the Nuke guys at Manchester Uni (who are after all in the same department as the Profs at Jodrell Bank, and probably sponsored by the nuke industry) have handed the Astronomers a Plain Brown Envelope, or even just a nod-and-a-wink. In the present economic climate, there's an unseemly scramble in academia for industrial sponsorship...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
A far more plausible explanation is that the Nuke guys at Manchester Uni (who are after all in the same department as the Profs at Jodrell Bank, and probably sponsored by the nuke industry) have handed the Astronomers a Plain Brown Envelope, or even just a nod-and-a-wink. In the present economic climate, there's an unseemly scramble in academia for industrial sponsorship...

So they could do a trade off and agree to the wind farm in return for building a nuclear waste store at Jodrell Bank. Then they'd be helping the nuke industry Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sound like the windfarm people could do with an astro physics consultant Candy. I doubt that you would have much competition.

Can anyone think of any other implausible but nationally important reasons to keep us in the dark in the future?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can anyone think of any other implausible but nationally important reasons to keep us in the dark in the future?

I'm waiting for the "Wind farms kill bees" argument. You heard it here first Twisted Evil !
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm waiting for the "Wind farms kill bees" argument. You heard it here first Twisted Evil !

But no one seems to care much about bees, so that won't work Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm waiting for the "Wind farms kill bees" argument. You heard it here first Twisted Evil !

But no one seems to care much about bees, so that won't work Twisted Evil
HAH! They suddenly bloody will if they think they can pin it on wind farms!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HAH! They suddenly bloody will if they think they can pin it on wind farms!

So when we run out of energy it will be the fault of the bees. Lets kill all the bees now. But when we run out of food because the bees aren't there to pollinate the plants, it will be the fault of those greenies who wanted to build wind turbines Wink
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