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callum · Joined: 14 Dec 2009 Posts: 1

I was recently alerted to the idea of TEQ's in a book titled 'The Last Oil Shock' by David Strahan. I am a little un-educated in this field but at the moment I cannot see any drawbacks to such a system being implemented in the UK and by extention the EU and the World.

I have tried some Google searches to find out if this idea is becoming a reality any time soon or whether it is just another idea to debate over.

Does anyone have any links to news reports or associated articles on this subject, or does anyone have an idea of the date (if at all) that the TEQ system might be implemented?

kenneal - lagger · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:15 am Post subject:

It's unlikely to be implemented, as far as I can see, because the EU can't fiddle it to the advantage of big business quite as easily as it can Cap and Trade.
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emordnilap · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject:

TEQs (or something similar such as cap-and-dividend) are destined to become one of those great, world-changing ideas for a world that doesn't want to change.

Unlikely to ever be implemented, mainly due to fairness, a concept in conflict with the current economic model.

And Callum, welcome. Keep questioning. Don't stop.
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Shaun Chamberlin · Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 118 Location: London

Dear Callum,

You will find the information on TEQs' progress towards implementation here, including the various Government reports and statements on the matter:
http://www.teqs.net/indepth.html#Progress

As the others said above, it is a significant ask to implement a system which both tries to genuinely address fairness and 'fiddling' and provides a guarantee that carbon budgets are actually achieved.

In the current political climate it looks unlikely to happen in the next few years, but perhaps with the struggles of the Copenhagen process Governments can be pushed to look to something a little more 'edgy'.

Shaun

JohnB · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject:

Shaun, I read The Transition Timeline yesterday, and there's a big emphasis in it on TEQs. As it depends on the government to introduce it, I tend to agree with kenneal and emordnilap that it's not likely to happen. Do you think things have changed since writing the book?
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Shaun Chamberlin · Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 118 Location: London

JohnB · Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:28 am Post subject:

frank_begbie · Joined: 18 Aug 2010 Posts: 810 Location: Cheshire

Talk about delusion?
So if the world starts rationing our energy use and reducing pollution the planet will survive? We would still be adding to the shit in the atmosphere just at a more equal rate between the population.
And what about the pollution that's already there?
The shit is still going to hit the fan with what damage we have already done.

The world wants to carry on with business as usual while saving Mankind.

Rolling Eyes

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kenneal - lagger · Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:47 pm Post subject:

TEQs work on a reducing ration each year.
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