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[jonny2mad]

I shall be attending both these events both normally have something on peak oil if anyone wishes to meet contact me or post
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nuclear war survival

empire of the sun

basie Jim didn't I teach you anything
Jim yes! you taught me that people will do anything for a potato

[jonny2mad]

Just to say went to sunrise met some very nice transition people who I think I depressed slightly .
Attended a talk on can Britain feed itself and there is a group in somerset who are doing a project looking at whether we can, and what the land in the uk is being used for at the moment much like a project that happened before world war two did .
And it looks according to them that england even if it switched to the optimum growing methods has I think either 7 or ten million too many people, Scotland and wales are in a better position, I don't think this takes into consideration land for fibre nature reserves or biofuels wood etc .

This would be I think a vegan diet similar calories as a wartime diet they will be publishing a report and putting it online I did have some paperwork and their web address but left it by accident in the transition village .

The question I asked is how long would it take to get to this optimum situation and by my reading of things they wont have time to get to this position before things fall apart and what do you do with this surplus population .

Will see some of the same people at Glastonbury and try to find out more about this project, all in all I see the situation as worse than we faced before world war two and hardly anyone can see it and 3/4 of those that can seem to be in denial about how bad it is .

looking at the iea graph they put peak at 2012 and they hoped to slow things with things like deep water thats not going to happen I just get the idea we are soon going to fall off a cliff
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nuclear war survival

empire of the sun

basie Jim didn't I teach you anything
Jim yes! you taught me that people will do anything for a potato

[emordnilap]

[jonny2mad]

I made them some pizza to try to make up for depressing them all, they are very nice but I feel to damn positive, pessimism and positivism are not the best ways to approach life realism is .

You have two approaches to peak oil transition and the doomer approach which is I think looking at whats happening is the most logical, that the most likely thing is we are heading for collapse not transition, and you try to save what you can or who gets it .

For the other people well whether they sink or swim is up to them, but most likely we are heading for a die-off of the population and most likely they will die
a poster on latoc put it this way

"I used to wait for them to get it now I wait for it to get them "

If someone says well we worked out we have a lifeboat that will save 10 people and we have 35 people in that lifeboat I wouldnt try to save the 35 if I didnt think they could be saved.

In this discussion about can Britain feed itself they brought up the idea of bringing in farmers from eastern Europe not getting that we need less people if their figures are correct, what we need is emigration from the uk maybe a one child policy maybe euthanasia things that will lower the population .
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empire of the sun

basie Jim didn't I teach you anything
Jim yes! you taught me that people will do anything for a potato

[eatyourveg]

Well, I don't think there will be a population problem, unless you want to call it a future under population problem.

There might be one right now but just give us a little more rope and we are absolutely certain to hang ourselves.

[jonny2mad]

Im just back from glastonbury stayed on 11 days longer doing the litter picking, which was a very interesting experience .

Basically we cleared about 1160 acres of rubbish much of it was recyclable but didn't get recycled and ended in a landfill, we cleared everything down to fag butts I picked up hundreds of tent pegs bits of plastic, cans, plastic bottles,paper cups and plates clothes bits of tent etc etc .

A lot of the crew were looking for drugs or money, people found some of both , but what struck me is when people found things like usable shoes clothes cosmetics etc they would either keep them or shout does anyone want some size 8 boots, and then other people would say yes and they would be passed on to them .

The pickers were some of the least wasteful crowd Ive ever seen hard working but pretty hedonistic, a few knew about peak oil some were doomers .

Generally apart from some of the crew the experience made me more sure we are screwed , greenwash, the level of waste, plastic pumpkins.
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empire of the sun

basie Jim didn't I teach you anything
Jim yes! you taught me that people will do anything for a potato

[MrG]

Tat city baby!

On the monday night I found (on my way to the party) one crate of cider Well if you can call that shite they sell cider.

Drank that.. went to put my mate to bed in my tent coz he was falling on people and causing a fuss

On my way back to carry on partying I found 2 bottles of cider and one bottle of rum / coke mixed I make that Pims O'clock!! I had to stash the rum and go back for it

Glad I sniff checked them though I found one bottle of piss for the 2 bnottles of cider.

No money or drugs though unfortunatlely. I was pure searching the floor at the stone circle on the Sunday morning.. should of been there at dawn though 'On it' was not me that week I was partying like it was 1992 and I was still a 15 year raver

I could only do this coz I found someone I actually trusted to look after my garden while I was away so I enjoyed my first summer time holiday since.. well ages to the max.

Kind of expected to overhear some off duty security person telling a bunch of transition town types that they were all going to die.. To which I'd have shouted out "Why Dr 2Mad I presume" but I didn't have the pleasure.

Did you make it down to the Tin Village at all to darken their day.. Please tell me you did!! Those guys were so in need of a dose of 2Mad

[jonny2mad]

I visited the tin village spread a small amount of doom, but there didn't seem to be any talks or discussions going on just people playing the piano and making pizzas

Met a nice fellow who had written the transition timeline book he was a reformed doomer nice fellow but a crazy optimist I feel working together, community, transition towns pah doing all that with the hope things wont be so bad when logic tells you things will be awful .

I discussed peak oil with some of the anarchist litter pickers they seemed crazy optimists too .

its a pity we couldn't have met Glastonbury is doomed the whole things a fossil fueled extravaganza .
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nuclear war survival

empire of the sun

basie Jim didn't I teach you anything
Jim yes! you taught me that people will do anything for a potato

[RenewableCandy]

[MrG]

Yeah well its certainly changed a lot from how I remember it.. not as crazy and anarchic and I still don't like that fence even from the inside. Felt like a theme park version of what it used to be... real temptation to just try and break out and back in again for the hell of it.

They kind of parked my bubble bike in an allocated space marked out with tape and tried to get me to sign a health and safety form! Became an exhibit in the theme park.. You see the ghost train bubble bike in green futures?

Hmm probably a few mates of mine amongst the litter pickers of which you speak.. I'd enjoy doing the litter pick but I can't leave my garden for that long this time of year even with help.

I met the son of the guy that set up Tin Village on Sunday morning. He'd been locked out of his van all weekend till his mum came down (only from glastonbury) with the spare keys.. bless!

Anyway he'd been saying that all weekend people had been saying (of the Tin Village) that they could live like that all the time. Just made me think.. well lucky that they've laid on a water supply for you.. and that they are pumping away the shit from the toilets.. and that you can just buy the dough to make your pizza's.. In short that all the basic infrastructure is there for you and you haven't needed to sort any of it out yourself! Yeah taking all that for granted I reckon I could live there all year round as well

Really nice lad though. I don't think there's actually anything wrong with being optomistic about the future.. at the end of the day what else can you do? There's no point in just giving up. The transition people I've met in Cardiff have been sound as ****.. its just complete cognitive separation from reality (I could live in Tin Village all year long.. with toilets and pumped water etc. of course) that sometimes gets my goat.

You ever thought about starting a garden Jhonny? Great for removing any feelings of powerlessness about the future, because your doing something and you get to thinking well whatever happens the suns still gonna come up every day and its still gonna rain on my potatoes.. well most years anyway

[Shaun Chamberlin]

[TigerLily]

Hi everyone,
Sunrise Celebration in May/June does feature a large area dedicated to transition skills and knowledge, however, at Off Grid, Sunrise's second event of the summer, Tin Village is the main arena...

Tin Village is a traveling model of a Transition Town reflecting all sectors of society. Constructed from local, recycled materials, it will play host to The Off-Grid College, Land and Food, Sustainable Communities, Post-Economics and the Transition Talks. It is a space to explore ideas for a sustainable future, with less reliance on oil, and with more focus on people.

Plans for transitioning to a greener more holistic future are underway with ‘Sunrise Off Grid’, returning to a field near Glastonbury from 19th-22nd August 2010 at Fernhill Farm, near Cheddar.

Many groups in the south west will converge at Off Grid including experts in the fields of Permaculture, Off grid living, Eco building, Land and Food, Renewable Energy and Earth Energies, all wrapped up with some movement, games, meditation, song and great music!

The Off Grid college is A 12 module course running over 4 days, covering all the essentials you need to begin the move towards an Off Grid, low impact lifestyle... Self-Power: Solar, wind, 12 volt systems and more - Water sourcing, recycling and waste water disposal - Eco-build Construction classes - Planning Legislation & Building Regulations - Grow your own food Permaculture -Composting - Wild Food Preparation & Walks - Creative Waste Recycling - Bushcraft Off-Grid Medicine - Land Rights and more

Sunrise is run by 'Natural Communities' a not-for-profit Community Interest Company, with 100% Renewable Power!

http://www.sunrise-offgrid.co.uk/#why-offgrid.php