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Lord Monckton on Bonn climate conf: They're at it again
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Lord Monckton on Bonn climate conf: They're at it again Reply with quote

Hmmm. Are those eyes a sign of madness, or is he a puppet of the climate deniers, and finding the hand up his backside rather uncomfortable!

http://tv.oneworld.net/2010/06/05/lord-monckton-on-bonn-climate-conference-theyre-at-it-again/
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's nuts. Just look at his tie!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me of the "alternative transport" threatened if they were caught getting spare parts on Top Gear last night (they had to buy cheap motorbikes and travel the length of VietNam...oh yeah and it blared Springstien's "Born in the USA" to boot)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent.

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Anyway, UKIP is now led by two aristocrats. One, Marina Hyde suggests, is “the sort of patrician dullard you pray not to be seated next to at dinner”. The other is clearly deranged.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a detailed presentation disproving what Monckton says
http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much for Monckton right ? So what do you propose we do all you warmistas ? Not drive? Ride bikes? Use coal free renewably created electricity to fuel our addiction to energy and transportation? Time for a reality check on the current state of play today. The fact is that if we had a free-energy antimatter device capable of cheaply providing infinite energy 'for free' to all of mankind, your side would baulk at it because the rich would still stay rich.... right comrades ? Maybe your side really thinks expensive energy that is clean will be subsidized willingly by the struggling masses... that seems to be your fight but it's failing miserably. You may blame the economy but it's not the economy, it's YOU. People don't buy your position nor believe your leaders have any integrity. People believe your scientists have committed fraud and no matter how many strings are pulled they will continue to believe it because it's true... not to mention you are lobbying to tax them to the tune of thousands per year to fund your scheme. Your side killed the credibility of the powers 'you' look for to validate your beliefs. That's your cross to bear - now public opinion rules and your sides gutter tactics haven't won that. Quite the contrary.

I agree that clean energy should be allowed to compete (if it ever can ) but I adamantly stand in opposition to your movement and their fascist ways. Throwing unbelievable amounts of money at science and academia hasn't worked for government. People under the illusion that these scientific entities are not beholden to their masters paychecks are idiots. That aside, after hundreds of billions of dollars invested nobody has managed anything more than a half-baked consensus based on pseudo-science which the side in receipt of the money won't even publicly debate. They took the billions and provided nothing of worth. With the exception of that absent compelling science they were willing and capable of rallying those in receipt of the money to undertake a political campaign of propaganda and activism unprecedented in our time. Now (with the lack of proof) the science could be funded by government and steamed through outlets like RealClimate.com directly to the media to keep alarmist banter in the public eye. It worked for a time as the media gushed over anything related to humanities demise and I'm of the mind that the little elitist band trying to convince everyone of this sham had some influence. Thankfully that time is over.

We allow this incompetent band of misfits guide world climate policy via fraud and deception without consequence and when confronted by it their masters step in to cover it up. NO. It's not enough. This will be a high-crimes issue, especially with the trajectory of our climate so clear these days. The climate people that have engaged in this fraud and led to this departure from reality hopefully will go to prison. It's that big of a deal and I think they are so fanatical and ignorant that they don't realize the potential of an organized and capable citizenry. Consider this the calm before the storm - the letting out of a bubble where many will stand naked in the receding tide. If people like Michael Mann are not indicted five years from now, I will be surprised. As far as Moncktons credibility goes .The fact that the IPCC itself is headed up by an ex railway engineer without any background in climatology whatsoever is telling too about the alleged credibility of that government funded organization that the warmistas hold so dear .

It matters not that you disciples see it as a political green-shoot to chew on incessantly, while you have a presence, it is incapable of fighting the tide. We are winning and it is because we fight for truth and it is on our side. One need only look at the sharp rise in skepticism in both the media and public over the last year to see that this is true, and that people are finally releasing themselves from the PC straightjscket the climate lobby has tried to impose upon their free thought and speech . You embrace a gigantic lie and there is no power there - none. You fight for a lost cause rather than man-up and bring your issues to the table ethically. You promote GLOBAL WARMING... what a thankless task that is these days given the publics ever growing cynicism about your true motivations. Arguing against you simply adds insult to injury... sorry for that your days-are-numbered friends. It's not personal
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not let some doubt into your life Flogger? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why not let some doubt into your life Flogger?


Because on this issue there is none in my view. Have you ever actually looked at this 'science' they allege supports thier 'theory' ? The only thing 'settled' on this issue has been the politics from the get go 20 years ago.

This group of climate 'watermelons' represent the greatest threat to humanity since the cold war if we let them away with this and I make no apologies whatsoever for robustly opposing them.

Hopefully you'll use this vast resource to let some doubt into yours.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=2050
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst your here, flogger, do some reading on fossil fuel depletion, particularly oil.

You may consider climate change a bad reason for cutting back, but there are others...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Flogger, you don't want to be labelled single issue, that's for gurls Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whilst your here, flogger, do some reading on fossil fuel depletion, particularly oil.


There is enough coal to keep us going for at least the next two centuries. This can be synthesised into oil using the Fischer Tropsche process developed in the 1920s and used by the Germans in WW2.

http://web.mit.edu/mitei/docs/reports/kreutz-fischer-tropsch.pdf

Though more expensive than current methods of fossil fuel reclamation it is still much cheaper than renewables. Given greater investment and more modern technologies leading to economies of scale the price will be reduced still further.

In short we are not just about to run out of fossil fuels any time soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are all thoose supposedly industry people on the oildrum website just crazy doomers then? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flogger wrote:
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Whilst your here, flogger, do some reading on fossil fuel depletion, particularly oil.


There is enough coal to keep us going for at least the next two centuries. This can be synthesised into oil using the Fischer Tropsche process developed in the 1920s and used by the Germans in WW2.

http://web.mit.edu/mitei/docs/reports/kreutz-fischer-tropsch.pdf

Though more expensive than current methods of fossil fuel reclamation it is still much cheaper than renewables. Given greater investment and more modern technologies leading to economies of scale the price will be reduced still further.

In short we are not just about to run out of fossil fuels any time soon.


Keen, very keen, but you haven't really gone that deep in to it have you? Try thinking about 6bn population and rising, factor in climate change (immaterial at this point whether man made or not), factor in environmental degradation, factor in limits to resources, and peak oil is the imminent/happened biggy there, followed shortly by potable water, well perhaps you get the picture. This is not about any single issue, it is about the perfect storm closing in on several fronts, and hey, guess what - it was us that did most of it!! Gives you such a warm glow realising what high achievers we are Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eatyourveg wrote:
flogger wrote:
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Whilst your here, flogger, do some reading on fossil fuel depletion, particularly oil.


There is enough coal to keep us going for at least the next two centuries. This can be synthesised into oil using the Fischer Tropsche process developed in the 1920s and used by the Germans in WW2.

http://web.mit.edu/mitei/docs/reports/kreutz-fischer-tropsch.pdf

Though more expensive than current methods of fossil fuel reclamation it is still much cheaper than renewables. Given greater investment and more modern technologies leading to economies of scale the price will be reduced still further.

In short we are not just about to run out of fossil fuels any time soon.


Keen, very keen, but you haven't really gone that deep in to it have you? Try thinking about 6bn population and rising, factor in climate change (immaterial at this point whether man made or not), factor in environmental degradation, factor in limits to resources, and peak oil is the imminent/happened biggy there, followed shortly by potable water, well perhaps you get the picture. This is not about any single issue, it is about the perfect storm closing in on several fronts, and hey, guess what - it was us that did most of it!! Gives you such a warm glow realising what high achievers we are Very Happy


I've been hearing the same doom laden scenarios for the last 40 years when we were supposed to have run out of everything and starved to death before 2000. I dont believe in peak oil as there are alternative methods of reclaiming abundant reserves for the forseeable future as I have shown . The most discernable effect of increased CO 2 has been a greening of the planet allowing it to sustain ever more of us so why we should try limit its output (even if we could) is a mystery to me frankly. Climate change far from being catastrophic will indeed most likely be beneficial in the medium term providing we warm at the gradual rate we have been witnessing. Here is why.

http://plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=252

You wont find the word 'catastrophic' in any Peer reviewed science on climate change ever published. It exists only to sustain the cash cow being milked by the IPCC and its acolites as they use it to produce ever scarier and ever more worthless computer models . So the cash keeps coming. When it comes to climate change catastrophism always follow the money. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, you are right.
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