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[JohnB]

Hmmm. Are those eyes a sign of madness, or is he a puppet of the climate deniers, and finding the hand up his backside rather uncomfortable!

http://tv.oneworld.net/2010/06/05/lord-monckton-on-bonn-climate-conference-theyre-at-it-again/
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[biffvernon]

He's nuts. Just look at his tie!
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[RenewableCandy]

Reminds me of the "alternative transport" threatened if they were caught getting spare parts on Top Gear last night (they had to buy cheap motorbikes and travel the length of VietNam...oh yeah and it blared Springstien's "Born in the USA" to boot)
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[emordnilap]

Excellent.

[JohnB]

Here's a detailed presentation disproving what Monckton says
http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/
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[flogger]

So much for Monckton right ? So what do you propose we do all you warmistas ? Not drive? Ride bikes? Use coal free renewably created electricity to fuel our addiction to energy and transportation? Time for a reality check on the current state of play today. The fact is that if we had a free-energy antimatter device capable of cheaply providing infinite energy 'for free' to all of mankind, your side would baulk at it because the rich would still stay rich.... right comrades ? Maybe your side really thinks expensive energy that is clean will be subsidized willingly by the struggling masses... that seems to be your fight but it's failing miserably. You may blame the economy but it's not the economy, it's YOU. People don't buy your position nor believe your leaders have any integrity. People believe your scientists have committed fraud and no matter how many strings are pulled they will continue to believe it because it's true... not to mention you are lobbying to tax them to the tune of thousands per year to fund your scheme. Your side killed the credibility of the powers 'you' look for to validate your beliefs. That's your cross to bear - now public opinion rules and your sides gutter tactics haven't won that. Quite the contrary.

I agree that clean energy should be allowed to compete (if it ever can ) but I adamantly stand in opposition to your movement and their fascist ways. Throwing unbelievable amounts of money at science and academia hasn't worked for government. People under the illusion that these scientific entities are not beholden to their masters paychecks are idiots. That aside, after hundreds of billions of dollars invested nobody has managed anything more than a half-baked consensus based on pseudo-science which the side in receipt of the money won't even publicly debate. They took the billions and provided nothing of worth. With the exception of that absent compelling science they were willing and capable of rallying those in receipt of the money to undertake a political campaign of propaganda and activism unprecedented in our time. Now (with the lack of proof) the science could be funded by government and steamed through outlets like RealClimate.com directly to the media to keep alarmist banter in the public eye. It worked for a time as the media gushed over anything related to humanities demise and I'm of the mind that the little elitist band trying to convince everyone of this sham had some influence. Thankfully that time is over.

We allow this incompetent band of misfits guide world climate policy via fraud and deception without consequence and when confronted by it their masters step in to cover it up. NO. It's not enough. This will be a high-crimes issue, especially with the trajectory of our climate so clear these days. The climate people that have engaged in this fraud and led to this departure from reality hopefully will go to prison. It's that big of a deal and I think they are so fanatical and ignorant that they don't realize the potential of an organized and capable citizenry. Consider this the calm before the storm - the letting out of a bubble where many will stand naked in the receding tide. If people like Michael Mann are not indicted five years from now, I will be surprised. As far as Moncktons credibility goes .The fact that the IPCC itself is headed up by an ex railway engineer without any background in climatology whatsoever is telling too about the alleged credibility of that government funded organization that the warmistas hold so dear .

It matters not that you disciples see it as a political green-shoot to chew on incessantly, while you have a presence, it is incapable of fighting the tide. We are winning and it is because we fight for truth and it is on our side. One need only look at the sharp rise in skepticism in both the media and public over the last year to see that this is true, and that people are finally releasing themselves from the PC straightjscket the climate lobby has tried to impose upon their free thought and speech . You embrace a gigantic lie and there is no power there - none. You fight for a lost cause rather than man-up and bring your issues to the table ethically. You promote GLOBAL WARMING... what a thankless task that is these days given the publics ever growing cynicism about your true motivations. Arguing against you simply adds insult to injury... sorry for that your days-are-numbered friends. It's not personal
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Why do we listen to the IPCC when its boss is an ex railway engineer with no climate expertise whatsoever ?

So much for its credibility !

[Aurora]

Why not let some doubt into your life Flogger?
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[flogger]

[RalphW]

Whilst your here, flogger, do some reading on fossil fuel depletion, particularly oil.

You may consider climate change a bad reason for cutting back, but there are others...

[eatyourveg]

Yes Flogger, you don't want to be labelled single issue, that's for gurls

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[lurker]

Are all thoose supposedly industry people on the oildrum website just crazy doomers then?

[eatyourveg]

[flogger]

[eatyourveg]

OK, you are right.