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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're referring to an interruption of the Atlantic Conveyor shutting down as per the day after tomorrow, I believe that it is now thought a very unlikely (or even impossible) situation but I can't dig up the reference.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shutdown is unlikely, change of direction, intensity, volume etc. is already happening according to some. Certainly we discussed it in geography lessons at school in Ireland 30 years ago, but the Irish education system is well ahead of the English and Welsh one.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Pepperman is right, and iirc the project is called THOR...a bit of blurb about the project here.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:

I don't like the words "denialist" or "denier", they both imply that AGW has been overwhelmingly proven and that someone is trying to whitewash over it.

This is not the case.


But that it exactly the case.

Come on you guys. You can't be serious that this weather is normal. It's obviously owing to man-made global warming.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snow hope wrote:
Now this research says that global warming MIGHT cause colder winters........ which is it to be - warmer winters or cooler winters?


Can't you tell the difference between local, spatial and temporal, variation and the bigger picture.

What global warming causes is....drum roll....global warming. Which is exactly what we've got. All the numbers aren't quite in yet but 2010 looks like being the warmest year the planet has had since I was a lad. And quite a few thousand years before that too.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy Hunt wrote:

You may as well say that the lack of discovery of a Higgs Boson particle is evidence that the CERN scientists' plot to secure funding isn't going to plan.
Hmmm...you might be on to something there. Getting £zillions for hunting something that clearly doesn't exist is a great ruse.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm I'd be inclined to put this cold spell down to abnormally low sunspot activity, with possibly some influence from AGW via the North Atlantic conveyor etc.

IMO, anyone who says "it's all down to AGW" will be harming the credibility of climate science.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey! I hope you didn't take my post seriously Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's currently cold, energy is getting expensive, and it's making travel difficult. Isn't that enough reasons to adapt our lifestyles to make our homes more energy efficient, and reduce our need for travel? Oh, that's funny, just what we need to deal with climate change! If everyone did it now, the climate change believers will be able to say we solved the problem, and the deniers will be able to say that nothing happened so they were right. The result? Everyone's happy Smile.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Great post John!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but it doesn't stop people saying "Dig up the coal. Burn, baby, burn".

For that we need everyone to understand that burning the coal means destroying our species.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its cold here, by London standards, about -2 therefore only limited bus and train services.
A poor little feral cat that I have been feeding has consented to come inside, hopefully can be captured for veterinary attention.

14 degrees inside, with no heating but useing a tilley lamp.
Very warm in bed Very Happy , I wisely arrange for my bed to be pre-heated by cats sleeping on it. Almost no PV or wind though, battery down to 40% Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've somehow chosen this Friday to have three radiators put in. Actually it's not too bad without CH as long as you keep hopping about Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmers are struggling...
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