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The British family franticlly prepping for TEOTWAWKI
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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12 Riots and looting in your neighborhood.


If people knew you were prepping, it might be more likely the looters would be round to see you. Sad

Correct so going on the TV with the details is one of the worst preparations you can make. We could make another list of imprudent things that give away your intent to the wrong people.

Sleeper service; Yes I was referring to the American use of "Bank Holiday" My father never forgave FDR for the money he lost in that one in 1930. $157.00 IIRC but that was a lot of money to a working person at the time.
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When I used to live in Brighton, a Brit Bank Holiday was something to be feared also. It was the fashion at the time for Mods and Rockers to fight on the beach! A lot of the shops and other things would shut down for the day, or even the week, even though 'twas the height of the tourist season.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Preps for a fast dieoff scenario are retarded because you're going to die no matter what unless you are far, far away from population centres.

And I don't mean 100 miles I mean 1,000 miles or some such.

Any closer you're going to have to fend off the hungry hordes and in a small island like the UK they won't be far away. You might be alright in somewhere like shetland.

The best prep for a fast dieoff event is knowing where the nearest high place is so you can top yourself fast or else get yourself a large axe or some other weapon so you can go out in a blaze of fighting.

The only reasonable case for prepping is for a short interruption in services of a few weeks or months till things get started back up again or else a period of e.g. high inflation. Otherwise it's just retarded.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Preps for a fast dieoff scenario are retarded because you're going to die no matter what unless you are far, far away from population centres.

And I don't mean 100 miles I mean 1,000 miles or some such.

Any closer you're going to have to fend off the hungry hordes and in a small island like the UK they won't be far away. You might be alright in somewhere like shetland.

The best prep for a fast dieoff event is knowing where the nearest high place is so you can top yourself fast or else get yourself a large axe or some other weapon so you can go out in a blaze of fighting.

The only reasonable case for prepping is for a short interruption in services of a few weeks or months till things get started back up again or else a period of e.g. high inflation. Otherwise it's just retarded.

I choose to go down fighting but do I have to use an axe? Won't the Ruger do as well? Smile
1000 miles That's a lot to ask. Stick a compass into a map and start drawing thousand mile radius circles around every population center. Now all us preppers have to crowd into those bits out of circle that happen to be not open ocean or covered in ice cap. AAHHuum I think I'll stay here ,150 miles out and already on the top of the ridge and wait for trouble to walk to me.
Your only reasonable case for prepping is just that, very reasonable, and it should become considered good citizenship for heads of households to keep themselves prepared for such events.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1000 miles That's a lot to ask. Stick a compass into a map and start drawing thousand mile radius circles around every population center. Now all us preppers have to crowd into those bits out of circle that happen to be not open ocean or covered in ice cap.
AAHHuum I think I'll stay here ,150 miles out and already on the top of the ridge and wait for trouble to walk to me.



Yeah well maybe I'm exaggerating for effect. In North America in most of the northern parts you'd die off walking 150 miles in the winter time. In the UK, however, there pretty much is nowhere that's 150 miles away from a major population centre. Try 50 miles. i.e. about two days walk.

That said, in a fast collapse there are still like to be plenty of people with a full tank of gas who can make it out to where you are if you're only 150 miles away.

As for a ruger. Not too many of those to be found in the UK and getting ammo would be a bit of a bitch. Here in cowboy country I could get me an M16 yee-ha and in fact am considering that very thing but again those are hard to find in the UK.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah well maybe I'm exaggerating for effect. In North America in most of the northern parts you'd die off walking 150 miles in the winter time. In the UK, however, there pretty much is nowhere that's 150 miles away from a major population centre. Try 50 miles. i.e. about two days walk.

That said, in a fast collapse there are still like to be plenty of people with a full tank of gas who can make it out to where you are if you're only 150 miles away.

As for a ruger. Not too many of those to be found in the UK and getting ammo would be a bit of a bitch. Here in cowboy country I could get me an M16 yee-ha and in fact am considering that very thing but again those are hard to find in the UK.


I don't think you're correct. In a crash people will try to keep BAU going as long as possible, they'll use every last drop of fuel to do it before they admit that all is lost. They will be protesting outside the town hall for days before they head off into the distant countryside in search of imagined supplies.

I can't see these desperate, hungry, weakened people walking into the wilderness in the hope of finding someone with a stash.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think you're correct. In a crash people will try to keep BAU going as long as possible, they'll use every last drop of fuel to do it before they admit that all is lost. They will be protesting outside the town hall for days before they head off into the distant countryside in search of imagined supplies.

I can't see these desperate, hungry, weakened people walking into the wilderness in the hope of finding someone with a stash.


We see that very chain of events every time something causes a bump in the UK. Every winter people die in their homes because they don't call for help in time, every week people die because they didn't go to the doctor until too late.

A few will venture out but, with no preparation or planning, they'll probabily die even quicker Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fifthcolumn wrote:
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As for a ruger. Not too many of those to be found in the UK and getting ammo would be a bit of a bitch. Here in cowboy country I could get me an M16 yee-ha and in fact am considering that very thing but again those are hard to find in the UK.

Mine happens to be a 7X57 Mauser which you Brits usually call a 275 Rigby. But I don't have to worry about buying ammo as I have plenty, plus I reload my own and have adequate supplies on hand. I can get seven twenty round boxes out of a pound of smokeless powder. Long range thinking the guy with a 22 long rifle and a couple of 1000 round jugs of ammo will be the last guy that has to switch back to cross bows. The .223 / M16 guys use a lot less powder per round then those in the 7x57 or 308 win class but they tend to waste rounds with spray and pray tactics.
You honest citizens in the UK are going to be up the creek if and when things break down. The thugs and gang members have their guns and the cops ,once they stop getting paid ,will form a well armed gang in a few days. Expect to have anything you have that is worth having confiscated by armed individuals some of which will still be wearing uniforms and showing badges. Those with guns will eat those without will starve.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You honest citizens in the UK are going to be up the creek if and when things break down. The thugs and gang members have their guns and the cops ,once they stop getting paid ,will form a well armed gang in a few days. Expect to have anything you have that is worth having confiscated by armed individuals some of which will still be wearing uniforms and showing badges. Those with guns will eat those without will starve.


For that exact reason I moved out of the UK to where I *can* get guns and we also have plenty of oil. In terms of what to get my choices are limited because handguns are seriously restricted so it comes down to a limited number of semi-auto assault rifles which are unrestricted: it is a question of an M16A4 chinese copy or an armalite ar10-a4. I am leaning towards an armalite because they don't tend to jam as easily as the chinese m16s when hot.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion a rifle or shotgun is best used to put some meat in the larder, nobody in his right mind is going to try to hold off the armed services if they decide to confiscate them.

Personally I don't see that scenario happening, I think it's more likely that remote smallholdings and farms will be left to get on with producing whatever food they can and firearms are necessary to keep foxes and rabbits at bay.

In a mad-max situation, which is unlikely here, then firearms would probably be fashioned by enterprising engineers. It's not technically challenging to make a black powder gun, our ancestors made them with very crude tools and metals.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..and the cops ,once they stop getting paid ,will form a well armed gang in a few days.


Shocked Interesting prospect:

"..'Ello, ello, ello. Wot we got 'ere then? Ooo, some nice fresh radishes! We'll be 'aving them thanks very much. By the way..that's not RED diesel in that Landrover, is it?"
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my opinion a rifle or shotgun is best used to put some meat in the larder, nobody in his right mind is going to try to hold off the armed services if they decide to confiscate them.

Personally I don't see that scenario happening, I think it's more likely that remote smallholdings and farms will be left to get on with producing whatever food they can and firearms are necessary to keep foxes and rabbits at bay.

In a mad-max situation, which is unlikely here, then firearms would probably be fashioned by enterprising engineers. It's not technically challenging to make a black powder gun, our ancestors made them with very crude tools and metals.

Well I do use them to put meat in the freezer today and hopefully that is all I will ever "Need" them for.
On the other hand if brigands ,in uniform or not, are trying to steal your winters food when no possibility of resupply exists what choice do you have. It is a do or die situation.
A remote small holding if left to itself by the government will produce food but will have to defend itself from pilferage. During the 30s great depression many a farmer in rural America scared off hobos with a twelve gauge. The farmers as tax payers kept police forces employed to keep vagrants moving down the line and vagrancy laws put many into work/ prison gangs to keep order. Then they came up with the CCC to get men off the streets without the bother of convicting them of something.
There will be little need to make homemade fire arms in the US. We have over one each today and it would take decades to wear out the stockpile.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fifthcolumn wrote:
Preps for a fast dieoff scenario are retarded because you're going to die no matter what unless you are far, far away from population centres.

And I don't mean 100 miles I mean 1,000 miles or some such.

Any closer you're going to have to fend off the hungry hordes and in a small island like the UK they won't be far away. You might be alright in somewhere like shetland.

The best prep for a fast dieoff event is knowing where the nearest high place is so you can top yourself fast or else get yourself a large axe or some other weapon so you can go out in a blaze of fighting.

The only reasonable case for prepping is for a short interruption in services of a few weeks or months till things get started back up again or else a period of e.g. high inflation. Otherwise it's just retarded.


Cant agree.
A sudden die off should leave some survivors, and being prepared increases ones chances of being among the survivors rather than among the dead.
One might still be among the dead, but preps help increase ones chances of survival.
We simply dont know what will happen, will the sheeple rampage across the country devouring all in their path, or die quitely indoors ?
I suspect the later outcome, they are not very mobile without petrol which is certain to be short or rapidly become short in almost any emergency.
A fair part of the urban underclass would probably perish in an orgy of drink, drugs, car crashes, and gang violence.
Any available petrol would probably be wasted on driving as fast as possible and celebrating the absence of policemen and speed trap cameras, rather than be used purposely to escape the cities.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fifthcolumn wrote:
I *can* get guns


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March 12, 2012, 8:30 a.m. EDT
ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE)
--ATK Wins Five-Year, Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract for .40 Caliber Ammunition from DHS, ICE --Additional .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with 450 Million Round Potential Demonstrates ATK's Leadership in Ammunition Manufacturing

here


You're not the only one stocking up. 450 million? That's more than one each. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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fifthcolumn wrote:
I *can* get guns


Quote:
press release

March 12, 2012, 8:30 a.m. EDT
ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE)
--ATK Wins Five-Year, Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract for .40 Caliber Ammunition from DHS, ICE --Additional .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with 450 Million Round Potential Demonstrates ATK's Leadership in Ammunition Manufacturing

here


You're not the only one stocking up. 450 million? That's more than one each. Wink

That's just practice ammo. 100,000 cops going through a twenty round box once a week for five years will use more then that.
The department of homeland security has 190,000 employees including 20,000 in ICE but I don't know how many of the total are gun carrying officers.
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