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hodson2k9



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:58 am    Post subject: Cold fusion ? Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:

Cheap fusion power would do it, but it has not been invented yet.


Hasn't it?

National Instruments a major US company certainly thinks were on to something (add them to the ever increasing list of major companies taking LENR seriously).

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/niweek-starts-monday-lenr-to-be-featured/

At this confrence the following demonstration was presented for all to see (5000 attendees) by Francesco Celian which national instruments also assisted with and measured the results with there own equipment.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/07/lenr-gets-major-boost-from-national-instruments/

(a detailed report of the reactor and excess heat measurments can be found here http://www.22passi.it/downloads/PresICCF17_NewA3A.pdf this was presented after the above article was published)

There was 20-14 W excess thermal energy, as
measured outside the entire device by
radiactive exchange.

Granted a average of 10watts excess isn't much and by no means prove commercialisation is possible but this was just a simple scientific demo/experiment for the public which was run for 55 hours at the NI confrence and most importantly it was a controlled and stable demo and was sponsered by a major US company who is "deeply involved" in the LENR field.

Them being deeply involved says alot there not going to sponsor and back a field and thus take it serious (especially a field so ridiculed as cold fusion) unless there pretty confident in the field.

Incidentily NI started to get involved in the field of LENR after being im contact and meeting (which they confirmed them selves) one Andrea Rossi. I am by no means saying that proves Rossi has anything but it is a rather interesting coincidence. Did they see something that made them take note?

I reccomend reading the detailed report on the demo as that will (should) answer any questions the skeptics on here will undoubtely have.

Let the LENR bashing commence!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
yawn


lol
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have my doubts.
The alleged production of relatively small amounts of heat, in excess of that expected is very open to both deliberate fraud and to measurement errors.

To measure temperature accuratly is a relatively simple matter, accurate thermometers are sold everywhere.
To measure amount of heat is rather more involved and more open to errors.

I will believe it when someone gets rich by selling the energy produced !
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
I have my doubts.
The alleged production of relatively small amounts of heat, in excess of that expected is very open to both deliberate fraud and to measurement errors.

To measure temperature accuratly is a relatively simple matter, accurate thermometers are sold everywhere.
To measure amount of heat is rather more involved and more open to errors.

I will believe it when someone gets rich by selling the energy produced !


I doubt a company as big and credible as NI who provide equipment and instruments to the scientific world would make measurement errors and they certainly wouldnt be involved in any fraud!

As for the purpose of the test it was simply to show that a controlled and stable (and reproduceable) reactor producing excess heat was possible.

Your stance is the same as many in the scientific world which i dont have nothing against mind i understand people have doubts. Yet people wonder why companies claiming to be close to commercialisation dont demonstarte there technology. I think you have just answered that question.

It seems no matter what evidence or demos are produced weather by scientists or major companies untill there is a working reactor on the market people wont believe LENR is real.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact thinking about it its very similiar to the way most people respond to the peak oil phenomenon! Untill its on the news or spoke of by the governments or there is indeed a oil supply shortage they wont believe it no matter what evidence is produced.

O the irony!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Hodson you are suffering a failure of memory. When cold fusion hit the headlines (BTW fleishmann has just died) it was a world wide press release by a major US univeristy and was announced as the end of our energy problems by all the MSM - before the scientific community had done peer review.

The university never backed down and caused a major backlash against the science when it transpired the results were unrepeatable. It did science as a whole huge damage. Contrast that with the very caustious reporting of possible faster than light neutron detection - enormous MSM response but the scientists never claimed a result (which was just as well, as there wasn't one. Damage was limited to individual careers).

I would love to find a cheap an reliable and low radiation form of nuclear fusion, but extraordinary science needs extraordinary evidence. There is no such evidence and the scientific establishment won't go near cold fusaion again without it. They would be torn to shreds.

MSM is actively suppressing energy shortages. Scientists aren't.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RalphW wrote:
Sorry Hodson you are suffering a failure of memory. When cold fusion hit the headlines (BTW fleishmann has just died) it was a world wide press release by a major US univeristy and was announced as the end of our energy problems by all the MSM - before the scientific community had done peer review.

The university never backed down and caused a major backlash against the science when it transpired the results were unrepeatable. It did science as a whole huge damage. Contrast that with the very caustious reporting of possible faster than light neutron detection - enormous MSM response but the scientists never claimed a result (which was just as well, as there wasn't one. Damage was limited to individual careers).

I would love to find a cheap an reliable and low radiation form of nuclear fusion, but extraordinary science needs extraordinary evidence. There is no such evidence and the scientific establishment won't go near cold fusaion again without it. They would be torn to shreds.

MSM is actively suppressing energy shortages. Scientists aren't.


Yes i know hes died thanks. Such a shame he wont be around when it turns out he was correct.

And weve been through this on this board before there experiment was reproducible it was reproduced by many scientists many times even nasa reproduced it although they didnt admit that until last year (a link was provided but probably not paid attention to)! Granted it wasnt reproducible every single time but to say it wasnt reproducible is an outrageous lie. Also just to add P and F didnt want to come out with there experiment as they knew it wasnt ready yet unfortunately they had no choice as someone with more power at the university went ahead and did it anyway.

Secondly there are thousands of papers available all showing a LENR effect exists and is very real and there are also plenty of open sourced experiments/demos includin Celinis above all reproducible. Even MIT have a reactor which has been running for months.

By the way i was refering to the general public not the science establishment or msm.

I fully understand the reasons why scientists wouldnt go near a field as ridiculed as cold fusion thats why it is very interesting that such big companies and ever increasing credible scientists get involved in the field.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://libertynewspost.blogspot.com/2012/07/cold-fusion-energy-for-ignorant-yes-it.html?m=1

A very good post with alot of imformation via the links provided with most of the important information people need of what is going on by whom. I highly reccomend reading it even though i kbow most will simply ignore.

O yes and ofcourse there is no evidence of LENR being real ...

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1127

with atleast 1,3900 peer reviewed studies in
journals, and at least 2,185 other documents i would disagree.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hodson2k9 wrote:
http://libertynewspost.blogspot.com/2012/07/cold-fusion-energy-for-ignorant-yes-it.html?m=1

A very good post with alot of imformation via the links provided with most of the important information people need of what is going on by whom. I highly reccomend reading it even though i kbow most will simply ignore.

O yes and ofcourse there is no evidence of LENR being real ...

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1127

with atleast 1,3900 peer reviewed studies in
journals, and at least 2,185 other documents i would disagree.
Hodson, either you being persistently delusional on this topic or you believe it stimulates some kind of "debate" thatís worthwhile for it's own sake.

It's not.

It's boring.

And pointless.

Sorry.

Nobody is "suppressing" scientific results in this area. There aren't any scientific results in this area that have any value/replicability When there is, you can be sure that we will all get to hear about them in pretty short order.

Until that time you really do need to let it go.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevecook172001 wrote:
There aren't any scientific results in this area that have any value/replicability When there is, you can be sure that we will all get to hear about them in pretty short order.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok sure! All i will say is we will see Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One i thing i might add is if this was a hot fusion reactor that had an a average of 10W excess energy continuosuly for 55 hours until it was stopped i guarantee that mainstream science and probably news would be all over it!

Can someone tell me the difference?
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