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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:47 pm    Post subject: Wind and the Apple Reply with quote

Many videos about renewable energy and climate change tend to go in one ear and out the other without leaving you much the wiser at all. This very short video clearly shows the rather underwhelming impact produced by a huge wind energy investment in Ireland.

https://vimeo.com/149114771
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather disingenuous, don't you think? For instance, Airtricity customers get around 50-60% of their electricity from renewables, mainly wind. Hmmm. Also, there are relatively few turbines in Ireland; they're a rare sight; more would not be that much of an intrusion, especially offshore. Furthermore, cutting emissions by not doing stuff (the Irish produce huge amounts of milk and dairy plus they can be lazy, using cars for the shortest and often the most unnecessary journeys) would make that small chunk of apple much bigger very quickly. Someone more intelligent than me could pull apart your man's point, such as it is, even more easily.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you take into account the fact that government/people are trying to get us to go over to electric heating in the form of heat pumps and electric vehicles that 4% that he talks about will grow mightily.

The "UN certified biomass" that he talks about will soon be craved by many other countries in the world so the cost of that will rocket! Also much of the biomass available at the moment is not from certified sources, look at Drax and its effect on the forests of Southern USA, and is contributing to deforestation across the globe.

The large proportion of that apple that is home heating could be reduced by 80% at least by insulation so the electricity share becomes a lot larger. (Although it does reduce the new load from heat pumps quite a bit)

I would ask what his allegiances are. Does he have shares in biomass supply or burning companies?

These are just my immediate reactions. I'm sure more will surface with more time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your interesting and illuminating responses.

This guy certainly has an agenda for sure and is wedded to the biomass fantasy for some reason. However the basic thesis he is advancing remains difficult to fault. I have discussed this with several colleagues with a long involvement in renewables/ghg emission reduction (at local, national and EC level) and none has so far managed to find a convincing flaw in the argument.

Of course, as those on this forum are well aware, the non inclusion of aviation and shipping emissions in national figures makes the renewable slice of the apple even smaller in reality.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously, renewables can't deal with today's consumption rates. That's basically the only leg he's standing on.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does he chop a chunk of the wind bit for backup? Any emissions due to backup (which is actually just fossil fuel plant operating as normal) are included in the other chunk of apple.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's obviously too busy dissing wind to think clearly. Come to think of it, I didn't spot that either!! Sad Well thought Pepperman.
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