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Lord Beria3



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty ladies Smile

You had similar scenes in Iran during the 1970's, before a huge backlash from the conservative heartlands swept the Shah from power and send woman's rights back to the Islamic Dark Ages.

Whilst I am the first to criticize Western foreign policy, it's not just our fault. Those liberation scenes in Kabul were probably not going to last, even without the horrific wars starting with the Soviet invasion in 1979, as you saw in Iran and Pakistan.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. There has always been an existential tension between the traditionalists and modernisers in Islam, to be sure. And that tension is going to have to be resolved, one way or another, eventually.

But, i would argue that it is the action of the West (predominantly led by America and their chief bitch, the UK), that has led to the traditionalists getting the upper hand in these countries. Either as a backlash to American interventionism (by the Shias), or as a consequences of being directly employed by the Yank in proxy conflicts (as with the Sunnis)
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Lord Beria3



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's hard to say Little-John.

One could argue that it was the Soviet's who through invading Afghanistan inadvertently strengthened the traditionalists within Afghan society.

My reading of Iran suggests that the Shah and his advisers went too far in the 70's on liberalizing society to liberal Western influences and caused a massive backlash outside the elite layers of Iranian society. That is the lesson the Saudi royal family learned from the downfall of the Shah, only make gradual changes to opening up traditionally conservative societal mores.

Anyway, back on topic...

http://conservativefiringline.com/michael-savage-will-civil-war-trump-taken/

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A former Navy SEAL and Marine Corps veteran named Craig “Sawman” Sawyer has also stated that if Trump is forced out of office, there will be an armed revolution, saying

“Anti-American subversives involved in ANY WAY in an unconstitutional coup against our President will be run down and executed immediately by the world’s most supreme warriors. There will be nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide, no mercy, no sense of humor. Harsh examples will be made. My prediction is it will be a gruesome massacre. Why? Because one side in this conflict has 8 Trillion bullets & the other side doesn’t know which bathroom to use.”


Predictions like these remind me a lot of Oswald Spengler’s discussion of the angry partisanship, escalating political violence and civil wars that engulfed the Roman Republic during its last century. The Age of Caesarism is fast approaching…

John Greer predicted that there would be a rural working class armed insurgency if Clinton had won the election. If President Trump is removed from power, I do think that there is a realistic chance of violent disorder across the heartland states of America.

I looked into this in my pre-election scenario fiction on my blog.

https://forecastingintelligence.org/2016/11/06/the-rise-of-caesar/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This gives some good insight:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ghosts-of-Afghanistan-The-Haunted-Battleground-ExLibrary-/292209353956?epid=114411369&hash=item440908e4e4:m:mZvmUKvx0XuAoEAXHZn-4eQ
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Steve Bannon leaving Trump's team, it makes you wonder how long Trump himself will stay in power......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-donald-trumps-chief-white-house-strategist-mutual/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is now fully surrounded by the deep state, the establishment neo-cons and a hostile MSM.

He's finished.

I predict he will be gone in six months from now
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
He is now fully surrounded by the deep state, the establishment neo-cons and a hostile MSM.

He's finished.

I predict he will be gone in six months from now


If he does go involuntarily then I can only see big big problems ahead for the USA. Love him or loathe him a lot of people voted for him in a democratic election.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boisdevie wrote:
Little John wrote:
He is now fully surrounded by the deep state, the establishment neo-cons and a hostile MSM.

He's finished.

I predict he will be gone in six months from now


If he does go involuntarily then I can only see big big problems ahead for the USA. Love him or loathe him a lot of people voted for him in a democratic election.


Now the US has seen the reality of a Trump Presidency, he seems to have lost more moderate right wing supporters, leaving him with the hard right as his support base...
This has mostly been due to his policies, actions and twitter rants, rather than the reaction of those that oppose him.

My fear is that he resorts to the age old solution when under pressure at home...., and he starts a foreign adventure to distract attention.....
I'll just be happy if he leaves without having started a major war.....
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What utter drivel.

It is the loss of Bannon and other Trump allies that has brought war closer. This may be said irrespective of whatever else may be true of Bannon. He was a strident non-interventionist. Which is what Trump would have been if he had not been so hobbled by a neo-con deep state intent on continuing to poke the Russian bear. Again, this may be said irrespective of anything else that may be said about Trump. Trump's failure and the increasing likelihood of war is not due to his belligerence in starting wars. It is due to his incompetence in keeping the neo-con warmongers at bay.

That's why Bannon was got rid of by the neo-cons who now have Trump surrounded.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
What utter drivel.

It is the loss of Bannon and other Trump allies that has brought war closer. This may be said irrespective of whatever else may be true of Bannon. He was a strident non-interventionist. Which is what Trump would have been if he had not been so hobbled by a neo-con deep state intent on continuing to poke the Russian bear. Again, this may be said irrespective of anything else that may be said about Trump. Trump's failure and the increasing likelihood of war is not due to his belligerence in starting wars. It is due to his incompetence in keeping the neo-con warmongers at bay.

That's why Bannon was got rid of by the neo-cons who now have Trump surrounded.


Well, I think that's a load of drivel.
We'll have to agree to disagree on what constitutes drivel.... Smile

However it occurs, Trump may well be leading the US to war..,
To quote Edwin Starr....
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDHXM8qb98
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

with regards to the possibility , however slim or even immanent , of Trump being impeached how do people feel about his replacement which if I have any understanding of America politics will be Pence.
I have several friends on Facebook that are constantly going on about how Trump should be removed . Firstly I can't see why , non of us over here can do anything about it , we couldn't vote him in and we sure as anything can't vote him out. Secondly , when I point out that Pence would be the successor I have had responses such as "they both need impeaching" and one , a retired teacher which would make one assume she's supposedly intelligent even came out with "remove them all and reinstate Obarma as a caretaker president 'till it can all be sorted out". I've all but given up responding to her posts.
Anyway back to the point , Pence better , worse or the same as Trump?
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The Trump administration is, at its root, a government of the corporate and financial elite. Trump, himself a billionaire real estate swindler, has gathered around him a cabal of oligarchs and military generals who have set out to continue and accelerate the redistribution of wealth to the rich.

The massively unpopular agenda of the White House includes new corporate tax cuts, the dismantling of health care, the privatization of public education, and an assault on Social Security and other entitlement programs. At the same time, the administration has demanded a vast increase in military spending in preparation for world war. Just two weeks ago, Trump pledged to rain “fire and fury” on North Korea, threatening the use of nuclear weapons in the pursuit of US imperialist interests.



Add in his continuing Afghan bludgeoning (remember Obama pledged to get out, then redoubled the hammering; Trump promised to get out too) and the above pretty much gives a glimpse of what the rest of his term(s) is/are going to look like.

Source

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lurkalot wrote:
Anyway back to the point , Pence better , worse or the same as Trump?


Probably worse as he'd likely be fairly competent. For all the bluster, the actual impact Trump is able to have on the world is limited by his general incompetence and ineffectiveness.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
For all the bluster, the actual impact Trump is able to have on the world is limited by his general incompetence and ineffectiveness.

And the checks and balances in the US constitution.
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