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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:58 pm    Post subject: The Flametree Project Reply with quote

I can't recall seeing this being discussed on PS, though its aims are dear to most posters' hearts.

http://dkeenan.com/Flametree.pdf

Ignore the very slight hippy angle and have a read (start from page 5 to dig straight in). Worth a look, especially for Telegraph readers.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some good ideas in there, but the key is why should people bother doing them? I've heard that about 1 in 10 is motivated by the 'fear factor' - it was reading 'The Party's Over' that got me going in 2004. But what about the 9 in 10? There's some work being done on this, such as the reports here (the older ones give an overview): http://valuesandframes.org/downloads/

Also CAT's latest ZCB report: http://www.zerocarbonbritain.com/en/making-it-happen
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Humans may be extinct sometime between 2025 and 2050." Is probably the best thing that could happen to the planet.

Give up showering one day a week? This is just gross self indulgence. A shower once a week should be adequate. Modern western washing ideas are just bonkers, and probably excessive to the point of being unhealthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
Give up showering one day a week? This is just gross self indulgence. A shower once a week should be adequate.


True but that's irrelevant to the aim of the suggested plan. You'd hardly expect them to jump in the deep end. Laughing

Besides, they're preaching to the converted, similar to what Mike is saying, as 9 out of 10 people are not going consider reading it, let alone acting on it, should they even come across it.
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