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Merits of reintroduction of locally extinct wildlife
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can leave my desk right now ,drive twenty miles to the gun shop or Walmart, pick out a new rifle , get background checked etc. and be home with it and ammo for it in about an hour or hour and a half. Your UK farmer probably can't get one in under a month.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the result that gun crime and the number of people killed by nutters with guns is a fraction if what it is in the US. Most farmers that I know are quite happy with that situation.

If you have a very urgent situation that requires something shooting a quick phone call will get someone who can around in very short time.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
With the result that gun crime and the number of people killed by nutters with guns is a fraction if what it is in the US. Most farmers that I know are quite happy with that situation.

If you have a very urgent situation that requires something shooting a quick phone call will get someone who can around in very short time.
While ambulance and fire trucks can reach my home in ten to fifteen minutes depending on travel conditions the police force that answers 911 calls is a good half hour away. That is not a short time if you are the one being assaulted.
I realize most UK citizens are quite content with your gun laws and don't expect to ever change any opinion on the subject.
On the other hand I was raised to be proud of my ability to defend myself and my community when needed and would be embarrassed in the extreme if I had to cower in a corner and wait for the cops to come bail me out.
Agree to disagree as it were.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kukunir wrote:
there are many ways how to minimize these negative human-wildlife encounters by respecting natural needs of both worlds.


Yes.

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Livestock farming is marginal in most places in the UK at the moment and it is only the subsidies which keep most livestock farmers going.


CAP reform to encourage organic tillage and compensate any livestock farmers who wind up their business. Re-introduce wildlife. Partial utopia. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
I can leave my desk right now ,drive twenty miles to the gun shop or Walmart, pick out a new rifle , get background checked etc. and be home with it and ammo for it in about an hour or hour and a half. Your UK farmer probably can't get one in under a month.


That's seriously why I am thankful to live in the country, where this isn't possible. Shocked

Just when I imagine how many frustrated people are out there...it would be super scary, if they could get guns so easily.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radnice wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
I can leave my desk right now ,drive twenty miles to the gun shop or Walmart, pick out a new rifle , get background checked etc. and be home with it and ammo for it in about an hour or hour and a half. Your UK farmer probably can't get one in under a month.


That's seriously why I am thankful to live in the country, where this isn't possible. Shocked

Just when I imagine how many frustrated people are out there...it would be super scary, if they could get guns so easily.


Might it not be a better strategy to consider reducing the amount of frustration in society rather than the frustrated going on mass random killing sprees? Otherwise one must assume that such collateral damage is considered a small price to pay for the benefit of those shareholders of the the arms manufacturers.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Potemkin Villager wrote:
Radnice wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
I can leave my desk right now ,drive twenty miles to the gun shop or Walmart, pick out a new rifle , get background checked etc. and be home with it and ammo for it in about an hour or hour and a half. Your UK farmer probably can't get one in under a month.


That's seriously why I am thankful to live in the country, where this isn't possible. Shocked

Just when I imagine how many frustrated people are out there...it would be super scary, if they could get guns so easily.


Might it not be a better strategy to consider reducing the amount of frustration in society rather than the frustrated going on mass random killing sprees? Otherwise one must assume that such collateral damage is considered a small price to pay for the benefit of those shareholders of the the arms manufacturers.

Every American benefits from our freedom and the stability of that freedom provided by citizen ownership of firearms not just the stockholders of the arms manufacturers. Even the citizens of the UK have benefited a time or two by the USA sending over a couple of million trained marksmen when your hours were dark indeed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, and quite right too. Like the freedom to have your children forcibly vaccinated. The freedom to be required to be vaccinated before recieving any state benefits. The freedom to be required to be vaccinated if you work in a hospital. The freedom to have fluoride added to municiple water supplies, where the dose anyone receives is totally uncontrolled. How many other freedoms are there that require the citizens to be subjected to non-optional treatments?

Yep, the US is certainly a land of freedoms, NOT!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been a bit perplexed by this fiction of 'American Freedom'. I was talking to a chap from Florida just they week about how it's illegal to have your own off-grid PV system in the state!? Bonkers. Then there's that thing about jaywalking. Seriously, your government isn't happy to give you the freedom to cross the road wherever you deem safe to do so?
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