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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time for another update.
Generally going well, fairly rapid turnover of tenants, but that is to be expected.
The Rutland wind turbines installed for battery charging have met almost all the 12 volt winter load, when PV production is limited.

Mice are still a bit of a problem, but only small ones. The cats keep then under control.

The gas boiler has given endless trouble and has been the only justified cause of tenant disatisfaction.
The small solid fuel stove that was intended primarily as a standby or emergency facility has seen a lot of use/overuse.
Normally wood is burnt, but when this was short smokelss fuel was used and burnt out the grate !
Before next winter, it is proposed to ditch the gas boiler and install a large solid fuel appliance that will heat water and rads.
The owner has already purchased this.

Initialy, solid fuel appliances were not looked upon favourably as it was feared that students would not know how to safely and properly use such.
This has not proved to be the case, with the tenants managing it well.
Fuel is obtained normally by the tenants, though if desired the landlord will arrange this and divide the cost among all.
It remains to be seen if enough wood can be found to feed a much larger appliance, it may have to be purchased.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Providing the chimney is kept clean, stoves can be extremely safe; most are a doddle to light, too, so even students should be able to manage them.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fuel is obtained normally by the tenants, though if desired the landlord will arrange this and divide the cost among all.
It remains to be seen if enough wood can be found to feed a much larger appliance, it may have to be purchased.


There must be a cost advantage to buying in bulk, compared to each tenant buying individually. Could the owner set up some kind of fuel levy attached to the rent and use this to fund a bulk purchase of fuel?

Obviously consideration would need to be given to storage.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fuel is obtained normally by the tenants, though if desired the landlord will arrange this and divide the cost among all.
It remains to be seen if enough wood can be found to feed a much larger appliance, it may have to be purchased.


There must be a cost advantage to buying in bulk, compared to each tenant buying individually. Could the owner set up some kind of fuel levy attached to the rent and use this to fund a bulk purchase of fuel?

Obviously consideration would need to be given to storage.


If need be the landlord will buy in bulk and charge each tenant.
So far with a small stove, in most conditions, sufficient wood has been found in workplaces.
Tenants have been advised to scavenge wood, in the interests of the enviroment and the wallet.
Present stock is about 100 pallets and 6 telegraph poles.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Present stock is about 100 pallets and 6 telegraph poles.

Telegraph poles Shocked. I hope the neighbours don't have to breath in the nasty chemicals.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnB wrote:
adam2 wrote:
Present stock is about 100 pallets and 6 telegraph poles.

Telegraph poles Shocked. I hope the neighbours don't have to breath in the nasty chemicals.


I fear that they may.
There are no very close neighbours, but as you suggest telegraph poles are treated with various potentialy unpleasent materials.
Is burning them any worse than dumping in landfill though ?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought telegraph poles were soaked with creosote. If that's the case then burning them with the right amount of air would be no worse than burning wood, since creosote is one of the products of wood. The problem would be that most appliances aren't designed to burn softwood, let alone telegraph poles. A rocket stove would do it if the poles were split small enough.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought telegraph poles were soaked with creosote. If that's the case then burning them with the right amount of air would be no worse than burning wood, since creosote is one of the products of wood. The problem would be that most appliances aren't designed to burn softwood, let alone telegraph poles. A rocket stove would do it if the poles were split small enough.

http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4638
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are good points in that link, and bad ones. Telegraph poles and creosote when burnt badly are no more cancer causing than wood when burnt badly. The point is the air and gas mixing needs to be correct.

I don't disagree with having rules to prevent waste wood being burnt on domestic fires, but building sites can burn wood, (I think this is to allow them to get rid of plants growing on the site) but they use that to get away with burning all sorts of waste generated on the site, such as old sheds, complete with roofing felt.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
There are good points in that link, and bad ones. Telegraph poles and creosote when burnt badly are no more cancer causing than wood when burnt badly. The point is the air and gas mixing needs to be correct.

I don't disagree with having rules to prevent waste wood being burnt on domestic fires, but building sites can burn wood, (I think this is to allow them to get rid of plants growing on the site) but they use that to get away with burning all sorts of waste generated on the site, such as old sheds, complete with roofing felt.

I don't know about the UK of course but here in the US a lot of pressure treated wood, utility poles , Guard rail posts etc. have been treated with a combination of creosote and arsenic. Regardless of how you burn it your releasing arsenic fumes into the air which is frowned upon. They have banned the use of arsenic but poles dating back to 1945 are still in service so you have no way to tell when a pole was treated and with what. Best to send them all to a capped lined landfill if at all in doubt.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new solid fuel boiler, to replace the gas one, has now been installed.

The house now has 2 solid fuel appliances, the original small stove or room heater with limited cooking facility, and the new larger central heating boiler which is well insulated and puts little heat into the room.

This appliance was purchased NOS in Germany and is designed to burn coal, logs, or "processed wood waste"
The degree of draught is regulated automaticly, within certain limits, according to the water temperature.
A simple lever diverts the draught to mainly above or mainly below the grate according to what fuel is being burnt.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update, after some years.
I recently visited and had a long chat with the property owner, about the world, doom and preparations.

The letting operation continues to be reasonably successful, with generally good tenants.
A fact of particular note is that several new tenants have sought rooms at the house following recommendations.
The solid fuel central heating boiler has not proved as easy to manage as the small stove, but after a little instruction has been a success.

Fuel costs per year, averaged over the last 3 years have been.

Electricity about £2,000 a year, of which about £1,400 has been reclaimed from tenants via check meters.
Gas, about £300, gas tumble dryer, gas cooker for tenants and gas fire in landlords flat.
Water, metered is about £800 a year.
Wood, unknown as the tenants obtain this.

Heating was excellent in the recent severe weather, though the wood pile is much reduced. The duplicated circulating pumps are supplied from the 12 volt system to ensure heating even during power cuts.
The 12 volt wind/PV system was much appreciated in a couple of prolonged power cuts *

One of the industrial washing machines needed major repairs, but after several thousand washes.
The tumble dryer needed dismantling and cleaning after the bursting of a feather duvet placed therein. No one admitted to ownership of the ex duvet.
Coin box revenue from laundry equipment is about £2,000 a year, though this is not profit, remembering the gas, water, and electricity consumed, and cost of the equipment.
Some of the tenants bring in washing for friends, no problem with this as the facilities are coin operated.

An in-house recycling/re-use scheme has been set up.
An area is set aside in which any tenant may leave items no longer wanted, that others might desire. Disposed of by landlord if no one wants.
This is not just for personal belongings but also for items discarded by ones employer etc.

One cat has died, at a considerable age, and another was adopted by an ex tenant whom had become very attached to the cat.
Two new cats adopted to keep mice away, with reasonable success.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update, after a quiet summer, the house is now fully occupied mainly with students.
Several of the new tenants are a result of recommendations by previous students.

Generally going well despite some lively behaviour.
One tenant has an electric camper van, I visited recently to install a 32 amp socket for charging this.

The existing mains power supply is marginal and an upgrade is awaited.

The new tenants are impressed with the size of the rooms and the spacious common parts.
The police made a spectacular drugs seizure, 3 grams of pot ! and uprooted a cannabis plant.

The industrial tumble dryer has suffered again from the exploding of a feather duvet placed therein. Apart from that, appliances and equipment have done well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh the joys of being a landlord. Whatever anybody says you earn your money and often have a hard time breaking even.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Electricity supply now upgraded from 100 amp single phase to 100 amp 3 phase.
A second tenant has an EV.
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