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French protests over fuel prices etc.
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clv101
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth talking a step back, remember why we're here, why PowerSwitch exists. Remember Peak Oil? Remember Limits to Growth, remember collapse?

We all know our globalised, post-industrial society is primed for collapse. I expect many of us read Heinberg's Powerdown more than a decade ago. We're flirting with 'last man standing' and 'waiting for the magic elixir'. The exact nature/timing of our collapse is both unknown and fairly unimportant, 'shocks' like Arab Spring, Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vests etc are just details, just noise and there's little to be gained by over analysing the minute by minute situation.

100 years from now, global civilisation is be totally unrecognisable from today.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and no to that CLV.

Yes, these and other associated events are the early and relatively insignificant signs of collapse. However, I would argue that what happens over the next decade or two will dictate the overall shape of how we humans organize ourselves over the next several decades deep into the Long Emergency to come. In other words, like a snowball rolling down a hill, whilst nothing can stop it reaching the bottom of the hill, its eventual size, shape and final specific destination is determined by seemingly imperceptible nudges at the start of its journey.

What happens now does matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
..... What happens now does matter.


"The flap of that butterfly's wing in the Great South American river basin..." again.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://paularbair.wordpress.com/

Superb essay on the protests...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Violent protests continue for a fifth week in France, though numbers appear less than previously.

It seems to be giving voice to general dissatisfaction rather than being over any specific problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it had been election time Le Pen might be smiling now!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Protests have continued today, but on a much smaller scale than previously.
Numbers have been estimated as under one thousand, compared to many thousands in previous weeks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The now traditional Saturday protests are underway in Paris and other French cities.
One current cause of dissatisfaction is reported to be fines for speeding, which the protestors describe as a "tax on the poor"

Having achieved lower fuel prices by rioting, I suppose that the right to drive faster is a logical next step.

News of todays protests has been somewhat eclipsed by reports of a large explosion in Paris, this is believed to be an accident and NOT related to the protests.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diana Johnstone: French Democracy Dead or Alive?

Diana Johnstone wrote:
French Democracy Dead or Alive? Or perhaps one should say, buried or revived? Because for the mass of ordinary people, far from the political, financial, media centers of power in Paris, democracy is already moribund, and their movement is an effort to save it. Ever since Margaret Thatcher decreed that “there is no alternative”, Western economic policy is made by technocrats for the benefit of financial markets, claiming that such benefits will trickle down to the populace. The trickle has largely dried up, and people are tired of having their needs and wishes totally ignored by an elite who “know best”.

President Emmanuel Macron’s New Year’s Eve address to the nation made it perfectly clear that after one unconvincing stab at throwing a few crumbs to the Gilets Jaunes (Yellow Vests) protest movement, he has determined to get tough


A good essay on the revolt against Neoliberal policies that have been ruthlessly pursued by France and the EU in general
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