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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just did a bit of online shopping at midway. My the technology of bows has advanced. If you can spare $700 US plus shipping you can get a bow that is just 30 inches axle to axle that has a maximum draw weight of 70 pounds that lets off 85% of that at full draw and shoots arrows at 338 feet per second.
Imagine having that on the walls of a medieval castle looking out at a hoard of Vikings.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022509320
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure about Vikings but if you had a bunch of Anglo Saxons looking at you they would be firing back aimed shots from 120lb longbows at about six arrows per minute.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those specs are similar to my Matthews Switchback. It's amazing to use, the let-off allows careful, relaxed aiming and the way that the limbs move away from each other means little movement when loosed. It's great fun.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
I'm not sure about Vikings but if you had a bunch of Anglo Saxons looking at you they would be firing back aimed shots from 120lb longbows at about six arrows per minute.
Not having researched a ballistics calculator for bows and arrows my first guess is that all of those aimed long bow shots would fall short uselessly against the walls of the keep while the return fire would pick off one man after another at their leisure.
While twice the arrow speed dose not compute to twice the effective range even ten yards where you can hit him while he cant hit you is a huge advantage then add in the advantage of being on a high battlement shooting down at your enemy shooting up against gravity.,
A modern cross bow or compound long bow in the hands of one side would have settled many a medieval battle.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true VT. Also worth remembering that the draw weight does not relate directly to the arrow speed and power. What's important is the recovery rate of the bows limbs and the length of the "power stroke". The crossbow often has a very high draw weight but is sometimes less powerful and always much slower to load and fire than a conventional bow, it does have some significant advantages though - it can be fired from more positions and from behind cover.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crossbow - bolt action single shot rifle.

Long bow - machine gun.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:

Imagine having that on the walls of a medieval castle looking out at a hoard of Vikings.


I think the Vikings had something called the blood eagle for people who had the nerve to fire arrows at them.

Amazingly shaped and contorted bow that you bought. Perhaps the Vikings would have had a good laugh at you first before administering the blood eagle.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check this out. A full automatic crossbow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKGjRoSofA
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears people are hoarding ammo again for fear of insurrection after the election. I went on line today to order replacements of what friends and I shot up yesterday on my range setup. I found that both of my usual suppliers were totally out of stock of handgun ammunition and 22 long rifle rim fire.
Odd that it had not been noticed or commented on by the media.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Check this out. A full automatic crossbow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKGjRoSofA


What a great laugh he has! Good man, ingenious.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Check this out. A full automatic crossbow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKGjRoSofA


What a great laugh he has! Good man, ingenious.
Yep, very ingenious. I fancy making one of those myself.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Check this out. A full automatic crossbow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKGjRoSofA


Nice bit of accessible engineering!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That kind of thinking will serve those that can do it well in our future world.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'd have a lot more engineering students if school tech classes made things like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
We'd have a lot more engineering students if school tech classes made things like that.

A shop teacher would not dare let students make a working model of a hand held weapon knowing the limitations of students responsibility and judgement.
Now a scale model of a Trebuchet with an arm no longer then 30CM might be a good project with the students doing the research and math to get all the proportions correct. It could be a walnut launcher.
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