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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:29 am    Post subject: Coal Reply with quote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/mining/8230182/Australian-floods-send-coal-prices-soaring.html




Now paying 7 for a 25kg bag will this make it increase no doubt

Anyone else still burn coal as there main heating source & how much do you pay?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Australia accounts for almost two-thirds of the global coking coal trade

Resilience is such a wonderful thing. Shipping a bulky heavy product half way round the world to make another bulky heavy product that's shipped half way round the world, is a brilliant idea. Surely it can only work in a totally screwed up system, and can't last forever Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnB wrote:
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Australia accounts for almost two-thirds of the global coking coal trade

Resilience is such a wonderful thing. Shipping a bulky heavy product half way round the world to make another bulky heavy product that's shipped half way round the world, is a brilliant idea. Surely it can only work in a totally screwed up system, and can't last forever Rolling Eyes


It's been slowed up quite a bit recently by the flooding. Gaia getting her own back?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK coal consumption has jumped this morning up over 2GW for the first time since the spring. I guess we are entering a 'winter fuel' algorithm with the start of November which pushes coal up the list of priorities for electricity production. We only have a few years and limited permitted operation hours before all coal is due for closure. So far this year, coal has generated less than 2% of electricity.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know of a family in London who heat with coal derived smokeless fuel.
Two large houses made into one home with fifteen bedrooms (they foster loads of children, usually about a dozen)

They pay about £6 per 25 kilo bag, after discount for bulk buying.
They have a modern multifuel boiler for winter space heating and water heating.
This can burn logs, processed wood fuel, or smokeless coal. Maximum output is about 80KW.
A 20KW gas boiler is used in summer for heating hot water.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New coal mine in Cumbria looks set to open:
https://www.in-cumbria.com/news/18012355.breaking-west-cumbrian-coal-mine-plan-gets-green-light-says-local-mp/
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coal was used for electricity today for the first time this summer. Wind power was low, a lot of generating plant was down for routine maintenance, I guess demand was high because of air conditioning in 35 degree heat, and the reduced thermal efficiency of the gas turbines in the hot, humid air, which is lower density and needs more compressing to maintain the mass throughput into the turbines.

All coal will be gone in 5 years. New nuclear will not be built by then.

We may need more gas plant to cover for the changing climate
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not related but many coal mines in the Hunter region of Australia are on shutdown right now with production supposedly halved. Officially this is due to Coronavirus and low prices. I suspect that this level of production may be lasting a bit longer than people are admitting to. Not entirely unrelated (I have been looking for a rural property in recent months) but I have noticed a lot of high-end houses going on the market in our town and surrounds recently. I think some people know something.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: Coal Reply with quote

lurker wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/mining/8230182/Australian-floods-send-coal-prices-soaring.html




Now paying �7 for a 25kg bag will this make it increase no doubt

Anyone else still burn coal as there main heating source & how much do you pay?
Have a small stock of coal (couple of sacks) over winter along with a smallish stock of logs and an enormous stock of old fencing and roofing wood built up over the summer from my brother's roofing and landscaping business. We just use the open fire on a weekend for psychological comfort reasons as opposed to any financial concerns.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
I know of a family in London who heat with coal derived smokeless fuel.
Two large houses made into one home with fifteen bedrooms (they foster loads of children, usually about a dozen)

They pay about £6 per 25 kilo bag, after discount for bulk buying.
They have a modern multifuel boiler for winter space heating and water heating.
This can burn logs, processed wood fuel, or smokeless coal. Maximum output is about 80KW.
A 20KW gas boiler is used in summer for heating hot water.


Sounds like it must be quite a lucrative business if a bit carbon intensive.
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