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The rotorverter - is this really proven technology ?

 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:53 am    Post subject: The rotorverter - is this really proven technology ? Reply with quote

I'm out of my depth on understanding how/if this machine works.

Does anyone have any thoughts ?

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This is a PROVEN technological advance - which can be put into operation worldwide to help stem the energy shortages reported to be on the way globally.


http://www.panacea-usa.org/index.php/pages/rotorverter.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon adam2 is your man to evaluate the device but, looking at the side bar contents of that website, I'd say his thoughts might be less than optimistic!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The rotorverter - is this really proven technology ? Reply with quote

RGR wrote:
Yes. Its called an electric motor. It runs on electricity. You can use them for all sorts of neat things, like running vacuum cleaners, or even cars.

My car happens to have 2 of them, one for powering the wheels, and another which runs in reverse and converts motion into electricity, versus the other way around.

They are useful items, everyone should have one or two.

But if you use one of your electric motors to drive another electric motor as an alternator, does it generate 5 times the power you use to drive it? We need to know your expert opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's a load of rubbish. Power out can not be greater than power in.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikepepler wrote:
No, it's a load of rubbish. Power out can not be greater than power in.



Shhhh.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikepepler wrote:
No, it's a load of rubbish. Power out can not be greater than power in.


Agree entirely.
Perpeptual motion is VERY last year!

A three phase motor can indeed be made to run on a single phase supply, in my youth I worked for a company that made "phase converters" to work a three phase motor from a single phase supply.
Very useful if 3 phase not available, but LESS efficient than use of a three phase supply.
Such devices are still made and used today, but no reputable supplier would claim that efficiency is increased, indeed additional losses are caused both in the converter and by the motor working less eficiently on "fake" 3 phase power.

An electric motor can indeed be worked on much less than the design voltage, this is done all the time to control speed.
In some cases there may be slight increase in efficiency, but no way is the output EVER going to exceed the input.

An alternator can indeed be driven by an electric motor, and this used to be common practice if a different frequency was required, or to produce AC from a DC supply, or to produce 3 phase from single phase.
This is still sometimes done today, though the modern tendancy is to use solid state converters.
Any such conversion will always waste some of the input power, this may be justified by the need for a different "sort" of electricity, but the output will ALLWAYS be less than the input.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The video appears to show convincing evidence that it works. It wasn't just talk, but a real life demonstration, and they showed the meter readings. So is it deliberate deception, where the people making it knew what they were doing, and set out to deceive? Or is there some way they could genuinely think they've achieved the impossible, but are getting misleading meter readings?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't watch the video but i have seen similar things. Despite many attempts the laws of thermodynamics have held up fairly well the last couple of centuries, all free energy machines have turned out to be duds.

My guess is they are just measuring the voltage or amps not the watts so all they have is a rather elaborate and inefficient transformer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RGR wrote:
JohnB wrote:
The video appears to show convincing evidence that it works. It wasn't just talk, but a real life demonstration, and they showed the meter readings. So is it deliberate deception, where the people making it knew what they were doing, and set out to deceive? Or is there some way they could genuinely think they've achieved the impossible, but are getting misleading meter readings?


You sound surprised that someone might use general deception, falsification of research or presentations and bald faced lies to either pretend they have invented a better mousetrap, or conversely but related, to convince others of the righteousness of their agenda?

I wasn't showing any surprise. It was a straightforward question. Are they lying, or are they thick and misinterpreted the meter readings!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they claim that the device will make the inventors rich, without any outside help, then they are probably misguided or thick, but do genuinely believe that the invention works.

If however they seek investment or venture capital, and claim that those investing in the machine will get rich, then I suspect deliberate fraud.
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