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goslow
Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 546
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: cohousing - sustainable living in semi-comunal community |
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this is nice
http://www.lancastercohousing.org.uk/
bit like a kibbutz + passivhaus+weir nearby for hydro...and they still have some units to sell.
I wish them well! |
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DominicJ

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 1839 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Indeed, they're likely to need it.
Be interesting to see if it works.
Theres one benefit for some of you, your unlikely to live next door to me. _________________ I'm a realist, not a hippie
1/28th of an acre growing three cherry trees, an oak and 31 assorted berry bushes, 30 garlic, and some herbs. |
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DominicJ

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 1839 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I am genuinly curious what other members think of this.
Personaly, I think they would be much better off building 25 eco houses with parking and gardens, a hydro project on that river and leave the socialisation to a communal park/garden and allotments.
Anything more can come naturaly later.
I cant imagine anyone here thinks the community will be made stronger by giving preference to LGBTmembers, but what do people think about shared Vegetarian/Vegan meals in a cohouse, with guest rooms no less? _________________ I'm a realist, not a hippie
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emordnilap
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 4315 Location: way out west
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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It's a brilliant idea. I don't think I could afford to join though.
That mode of living won't suit everyone but it would suit more people than you'd think at first glance; after all, it is composed of and directed by the the people who live there - so if you don't like some aspect, you would have chance to change it.
I like the communally-created meals idea - it is potentially far more efficient from farm to fork than everyone (growing and) buying and cooking individually.
I wish them the very best. _________________ The human appears to have no idea what its ideal diet should be; has self-inflicted diet-related diseases; causes extensive environmental destruction through basic food production & creates pathogenic infestations that widely infect its food supply. |
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DominicJ

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 1839 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I like the communally-created meals idea - it is potentially far more efficient from farm to fork than everyone (growing and) buying and cooking individually. |
I dont mind the idea, but I think it will put a lot of people off, its the sort of thing that should be developed naturaly.
I really disliked the "There will always be Vegan, there will almost always be Vegetarian, but if you try and sneak in meat for personal consumption we will kill you" implementation.
I'd have considerably more respect for the founders if they were honest and said "meat eaters unwelcome".
But, if everyone involved is happy, good for them and best of luck. _________________ I'm a realist, not a hippie
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kenneal
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 3609 Location: Newbury, Berkshire
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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JohnB and I have found interest in varying levels of cooperation/cohabitation in the eco village movement. It ranges from full cohabitation to separate houses with a monthly, or so, meeting.
Our village is separate houses on small plots with a share in the rest of the land, which will be worked communally. We will have a meeting once a week or once a fortnight to discuss work and progress. I would like to have joint meals on a regular basis, as it is a more efficient way of catering, as has been said, but my wife and daughter aren't too keen. We'll just have to work out the best way of doing things in the future.
The interest in our village has been from meat eaters exclusively, so far. I don't know if that is because most of the interest has been local and from people who know what we do, graze cattle. I think most vegans would have a problem being associated with a beef farm and would stear clear. _________________ It is very, very, very serious indeed. This is the big one!" Professor Tim Lang, APPGOPO, 25/03/08 |
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emordnilap
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 4315 Location: way out west
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| DominicJ wrote: | | I really disliked the "There will always be Vegan, there will almost always be Vegetarian, but if you try and sneak in meat for personal consumption we will kill you" implementation. |
I tried to find where this 'implementation' (!) was but failed. In fact, to try to implement such a thing would definitely be contrary to a vegan's view of life!
The food policy is quite clear and generous and the tone and wording is exactly what you might expect from such people.
Plus there's this:
| Quote: | | Our general principal is that individuals should be free to decide what they want to do in their private homes. |
| Quote: | Do I have to be a vegetarian/vegan to join?
No, but all communal meals will be vegetarian. There will always be a vegan option and some meals will be entirely vegan (see our food policy).
Do I have to join in with communal meals?
Not at all, though we hope that most will enjoy this opportunity to socialise in an informal manner. |
_________________ The human appears to have no idea what its ideal diet should be; has self-inflicted diet-related diseases; causes extensive environmental destruction through basic food production & creates pathogenic infestations that widely infect its food supply. |
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DominicJ

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 1839 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I tried to find where this 'implementation' (!) was but failed. In fact, to try to implement such a thing would definitely be contrary to a vegan's view of life! |
"No meat or fish will be permitted in the co-house cooking area.
Meat/fish may not be brought into the co-house during a communal meal
unless more than four communal meal nights are taking place in a week,
in which case the Management Committee will designate and advertise
nights on which meat/fish (cooked elsewhere) may be brought into the
co-house. "
That to me is insane, theres no rational basis, its a we hate meat eaters policy.
If the co house meal is vegetable curry, they wont let you cook chicken at home and bring it with you.
Saying you cant cook it in the co house in case it contaminates our pure vegan food is petty, saying you cant even cook it at home and bring it with you is vindictive.
Obviously I was exgerating when I said they'd kill you, and it could have clearer it applied to the co house only.
But at the end of the day, even the evil meaties would be paying for a fair share of the co house. _________________ I'm a realist, not a hippie
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JohnB

Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 3175 Location: Beautiful sunny West Wales!
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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There are some interesting discussions going on on the Permaculture UK Forum about the vegan/meat eating thing, if anyone wants to join in!
I eat meat, but if there is shared food I try to take veggie/vegan food, as it makes things easier for everyone. Not having meat around saves a lot of hassle. Living in a van means I can sneak off home for some dead flesh if I feel the urge! But I don't eat much meat anyway.
In any form of co-housing or community, the rules should be made to suit the people who live there, or people who live there do so because they're happy with the rules. If someone doesn't like them, they can get together with others and create something that suits them. One size fits all solutions aren't appropriate any more. _________________ John
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emordnilap
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 4315 Location: way out west
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnB wrote: | | I eat meat, but if there is shared food I try to take veggie/vegan food, as it makes things easier for everyone. |
It's something that's mildly annoying for v*gans, JohnB, at gatherings as the veggie food always seems to run out first! It says something more than just 'making it easy for everyone'.
| DominicJ wrote: | "No meat or fish will be permitted in the co-house cooking area.
Meat/fish may not be brought into the co-house during a communal meal
unless more than four communal meal nights are taking place in a week,
in which case the Management Committee will designate and advertise
nights on which meat/fish (cooked elsewhere) may be brought into the
co-house. "
That to me is insane, theres no rational basis, its a we hate meat eaters policy. |
Not at all, what are you on about? It's a reasonable attempt to find a common denominator in a diverse group and basing a perfectly obvious rule upon it. Next you'll want to bring your jet ski up the river because you object to car pooling. _________________ The human appears to have no idea what its ideal diet should be; has self-inflicted diet-related diseases; causes extensive environmental destruction through basic food production & creates pathogenic infestations that widely infect its food supply. |
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kenneal
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 3609 Location: Newbury, Berkshire
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| emordnilap wrote: | | Next you'll want to bring your jet ski up the river because you object to car pooling. |
That's an idea. Bugger! The river's too shallow.  _________________ It is very, very, very serious indeed. This is the big one!" Professor Tim Lang, APPGOPO, 25/03/08 |
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DominicJ

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 1839 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Not at all, what are you on about? It's a reasonable attempt to find a common denominator in a diverse group and basing a perfectly obvious rule upon it. Next you'll want to bring your jet ski up the river because you object to car pooling. |
I dont see how banning the consumption of meat is perfectly obvious, especialy when they lack the courage to do that.
Just an opinion[/quote] _________________ I'm a realist, not a hippie
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Bandidoz

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 2309 Location: Berks
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| DominicJ wrote: | | Quote: | | I tried to find where this 'implementation' (!) was but failed. In fact, to try to implement such a thing would definitely be contrary to a vegan's view of life! |
"No meat or fish will be permitted in the co-house cooking area.
Meat/fish may not be brought into the co-house during a communal meal
unless more than four communal meal nights are taking place in a week,
in which case the Management Committee will designate and advertise
nights on which meat/fish (cooked elsewhere) may be brought into the
co-house. "
That to me is insane, theres no rational basis, its a we hate meat eaters policy. |
I'm inclined to agree with Dominic - excluding meat eaters from the communal area is a form of exclusion and discrimination, "Send the meat eaters to Coventry".
I can understand the idea that they don't want to offend vegans by having meat around the communal areas, however I would have thought that having communal meat eating would be far more efficient than the meat eaters having to cook for themselves. For example, they could dispatch a chicken, then eating it communally would mean that each person would have a reasonably small portion. In other words - get people to eat less meat by eating smaller portions communally. As opposed to the normal pattern of eating as much as possible in one sitting, then having to refridgerate the leftovers. _________________ Olduvai Theory (Updated) (Reviewed)
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JohnB

Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 3175 Location: Beautiful sunny West Wales!
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Bandidoz wrote: | | I'm inclined to agree with Dominic - excluding meat eaters from the communal area is a form of exclusion and discrimination, "Send the meat eaters to Coventry". |
If you live in a place you can help to make the rules. It was probably agreed after lots of meetings. If you don't like it, get involved in creating a project where the rules are different. _________________ John
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emordnilap
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 4315 Location: way out west
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| JohnB wrote: | | Bandidoz wrote: | | I'm inclined to agree with Dominic - excluding meat eaters from the communal area is a form of exclusion and discrimination, "Send the meat eaters to Coventry". |
If you live in a place you can help to make the rules. It was probably agreed after lots of meetings. If you don't like it, get involved in creating a project where the rules are different. |
+1 JohnB. Well said.
There again, getting involved in things which challenge an entrenched view of life can be character building. _________________ The human appears to have no idea what its ideal diet should be; has self-inflicted diet-related diseases; causes extensive environmental destruction through basic food production & creates pathogenic infestations that widely infect its food supply. |
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