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snow hope · Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:14 am Post subject:

Agreed Keela, good post Hogfish.

Nice to see a real scientist laying out the facts and also mentioning the levels of uncertainty.

It has not been nice to see the wolves baying for blood in this thread, but I suppose we are all humans and thats what some of us do......

I hope MacG has not really left as he made some good contributions regarding Peak Oil and human nature. It would be rather sad to see that he had been driven away by the pack. Sad

I understand how he might feel, as I have also dared to express my scepticism of the climate prediction models, the level of impact of our CO2 contribution to the global hydrological and carbon cycle. Along with the suggestion that we might be under-estimating the significance of our local star and its cycles that we are still learning about.

The "concensus" can be very hard to argue against and at the same time very easy for the pack to pounce upon, even in here where folks obviously have a high degree of intelligence and perception of events occuring on our planet.

I suppose what gets me the most, is the absolute certainty displayed by some members that AGW is the cause of imminent disaster and 6-10 degrees of warming over the next 100 years...... whereas the likely expectation is probably very different, especially when we take on board the fact that we are likely past Peak Oil and the implications that has for civilisation.

Ho Hum.
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Andy Hunt · Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:26 am Post subject:

But snow, MacG was absolutely explicit in his assertion that the science behind AGW is wrong, and you yourself have expressed absolute certainty that all 'proponents' of AGW are totally close-minded, which has been shown to be blatantly untrue.

So are you really surprised that people react badly to your own and MacG's absolute assertions which are blatantly wrong?

Like all groupthinkers, you fail to apply the same standards of scrutiny to your own arguments that you do to others.
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snow hope · Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:31 am Post subject:

Well it is obvious you know the "rules" of group thinkers better that I do Andy. Wink

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JohnB · Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:42 am Post subject:

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Thanks Chris.

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I've returned to this thread after the bun fight has finished, which is just as well!

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Welcome Hogfish.

Is it worthwhile you dealing with MacG's doubts? Or do you think you've addressed them? (I suspect MacG would think not).
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