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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:25 am    Post subject: Thousands protest against Germany's nuclear plants Reply with quote

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Tens of thousands of people have protested in Germany against the government's plans to extend the life of its nuclear reactors.

Demonstrators in Stuttgart formed a human chain reaching 45km (27 miles) for the protest, planned before the current nuclear crisis in Japan.

Organisers said events in Japan had proved atomic power was an uncontrollable and risky technology.

Nuclear policy is a key issue in German regional elections this year.

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See also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/12/nuclear-safety-worries-spread-europe
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the UK the energy secretary Chris Huhne said the government was monitoring the nuclear situation in Japan. "It's too early to say what the cause was..."

Excuse me, Energy Secretary Huhne, but I think you will find the cause was an earthquake followed by the emergency systems failing to operate in an emergency.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"This may result in" (wrote someone I know in his blog) "a seismic shift in policy about nuclear energy"...is this the worst pun of the decade??
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, on 17 December 2010, from Huhne himself:

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Plans to shake up the electricity market and ensure £110bn of infrastructure investment by 2020 were unveiled by the Government yesterday.

Chris Huhne, the Energy Secretary, described the proposals – which include long-term contracts and a carbon price floor – as a "once in a generation" opportunity and a "seismic shift" on the scale of privatisation in the 1980s.

Although domestic power costs are still expected to rise by £160 per household by 2030, the proposals will keep bills 4 per cent lower than they would otherwise have been, Mr Huhne said.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/huhne-sets-out-seismic-plans-for-electricity-market-reform-2162587.html
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does make you wonder why politicians invariably regard a "shake up" of anything to be a good thing. They're not the ones who have to pick up the pieces, either of earthquakes or of re-organisations.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ZURICH, March 14 (Reuters) - Switzerland has suspended the approvals process for three new nuclear power stations so safety standards can be revisited after the explosion at a Japanese plant, Energy Minister Doris Leuthard said on Monday.

"Safety is our first priority," Leuthard said in a statement.

Switzerland's five existing nuclear reactors generate about 40 percent of the country's electricity but some will have to be retired in coming years. Decisions on sites for new plants were due to be made in mid-2012.


I suppose the Swiss will be checking out the tsunami risk.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
It does make you wonder why politicians invariably regard a "shake up" of anything to be a good thing. They're not the ones who have to pick up the pieces, either of earthquakes or of re-organisations.


I think it's because they like to do things.

So, the Tories campaign on a platform of giving the NHS a respite from all those shake-ups...and then as soon as they get in, they forget all about that and embark on their own Hokey-Cokey Evil or Very Mad


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

German nuke life extensions are orf pending 3-month perusal.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nuclear projects in Europe are being reviewed in light of the emergency in Japan, sparked by a massive earthquake and tsunami.

The German and the Swiss governments have suspended decisions on their nuclear programmes, and the European Commission is holding a meeting of ministers and experts on Tuesday.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:
I suppose the Swiss will be checking out the tsunami risk.


They probably will if the stations are next to one of their lakes. An earthquake could cause a tsunami in a lake either by movement of the lake bed or side or by causing a massive a landslide into the lake. The Alps were formed when the African plate started moving into the Eurasian plate, this movement is still going on and the alps are still rising by about 1mm a year. This means that the Swiss nukes could be subject to earthquake damage.

I seem to remember many years ago a dam failing in the States after a tsunami, which was caused by a landslide into the lake, overtopped the dam.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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biffvernon wrote:
I suppose the Swiss will be checking out the tsunami risk.


They probably will if the stations are next to one of their lakes. An earthquake could cause a tsunami in a lake either by movement of the lake bed or side or by causing a massive a landslide into the lake. The Alps were formed when the African plate started moving into the Eurasian plate, this movement is still going on and the alps are still rising by about 1mm a year. This means that the Swiss nukes could be subject to earthquake damage.

I seem to remember many years ago a dam failing in the States after a tsunami, which was caused by a landslide into the lake, overtopped the dam.


There was a Horizon programme a few years back which, I think, showed that the way to get a big Tsunami was to have a landslide into water. The real big one is supposed to be when half of La Palma (one of the Canary Islands) slips into the sea. This will send a tsunami westwards which will devestate the East coast of the US (I vaguely remember something closer to 100m high than 10m high) - or, that's the theory (or the speculative tv show),


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Peter wrote:
There was a Horizon programme a few years back which, I think, showed that the way to get a big Tsunami was to have a landslide into water. The real big one is supposed to be when half of La Palma (one of the Canary Islands) slips into the sea. This will send a tsunami westwards which will devestate the East coast of the US (I vaguely remember something closer to 100m high than 10m high) - or, that's the theory (or the speculative tv show),


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It think they said it would also come this way, and get us too!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I saw that as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnB wrote:
Blue Peter wrote:
There was a Horizon programme a few years back which, I think, showed that the way to get a big Tsunami was to have a landslide into water. The real big one is supposed to be when half of La Palma (one of the Canary Islands) slips into the sea. This will send a tsunami westwards which will devestate the East coast of the US (I vaguely remember something closer to 100m high than 10m high) - or, that's the theory (or the speculative tv show),


Peter.

It think they said it would also come this way, and get us too!


Not in any serious way. The south coast of England, which is the bit which would get hit, is quite a long way from the Canaries, in the wrong direction and the further southwest you go, the more those places are built to withstand high tides and storms.

The Big One for the US is not La Palma but the Cascadia fault off the west coast. This is a fault very similar to the ones which have recently ruptured causing the boxing day tsunami and the Japanese tsunami, and it is as close to the US coast as those were to Indonesia and Japan respectively. This one was already overdue a major quake, because the last one was in 1700, but there have now been several once-in-a-lifetime quakes in quick succession around the other edges of the pacific plate. Cascadia is now the one which ruptured longest ago, and is likely to be the next.

http://geology.about.com/od/quake_preparedness/a/aa_cascadiaEQ.htm


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Angela Merkel switches off seven nuclear power plants

Angela Merkel's U-turn on nuclear energy became even more gear-crunching on Tuesday when she announced the temporary closure of seven of Germany's nuclear power stations.

The chancellor said that reactors built before 1980 would be taken offline while an urgent review of their safety was carried out.

"Safety has the priority in all our deliberations," Merkel declared after she met politicians from affected German states.

This latest announcement came just a day after Germany's coalition government announced a three-month delay in its decision to extend the lifespan of Germany's 17 elderly nuclear power stations.

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