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Is nuclear power still the answer to our energy problems?

 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Is nuclear power still the answer to our energy problems? Reply with quote

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The Guardian - 26/03/11



As we move to reduce our reliance on high-carbon energy, George Monbiot believes nuclear is the best option. No, says Caroline Lucas, renewables should be the priority. Susanna Rustin chairs the debate.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've been having a debate about George elsewhere on the forum.

Nuclear is only necessary if you believe that continuous economic growth is possible and probable as George does. Most here believe that collapse is imminent and nuclear is very irresponsible in those circumstances as it will saddle our children and grandchildren with a very dangerous and completely unmanageable legacy.

This attitude to the sustainability of growth makes me question all George's pronouncements.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caroline Lucas wrote:
we know that our UK homes are so poorly insulated that 1 in every 4 spent heating our homes is wasted.


She got that wrong. It should be 3.50 in 4.00 spent heating our homes is wasted.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal wrote:
Caroline Lucas wrote:
we know that our UK homes are so poorly insulated that 1 in every 4 spent heating our homes is wasted.


She got that wrong. It should be 3.50 in 4.00 spent heating our homes is wasted.

Where did you get this information Ken?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno how either figure is arrived at. Even if one lived in a thermos flask, money spent on heating is ultimately 'wasted'. Thermodynamics and all that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In other words, do we want the Danish way (electricity $US 0.4295/kWh) or the French way ($US 0.1925/kWh), taking insulation standards to be similar?



(UK $US 0.1859) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing#Price_comparison

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The French electricity consumer pays for much of the cost of their electricity through taxation rather than through electricity bills. Apples and pears.

Not a single Watt of nuclear electricity has yet been generated without a government subsidy. Anywhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:
The French electricity consumer pays for much of the cost of their electricity through taxation rather than through electricity bills. Apples and pears.
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Unless you can prove otherwise, taxation of electricity in France has now been set by European legislation and is about 8 %. Apples and more apples it seems.

biffvernon wrote:
Not a single Watt of nuclear electricity has yet been generated without a government subsidy. Anywhere.
Do you know, I think it might just be the case that that same observation applies to renewables. Can I just check, are your PV panels, for example, subsidised?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Two wrongs make a right. Brilliant!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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biffvernon wrote:
The French electricity consumer pays for much of the cost of their electricity through taxation rather than through electricity bills. Apples and pears.
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Unless you can prove otherwise, taxation of electricity in France has now been set by European legislation and is about 8 %. Apples and more apples it seems.

biffvernon wrote:
Not a single Watt of nuclear electricity has yet been generated without a government subsidy. Anywhere.
Do you know, I think it might just be the case that that same observation applies to renewables. Can I just check, are your PV panels, for example, subsidised?


The French power stations were built with government money. VAT on bills is not the issue.

My pv panels are not subsidised. I paid the full market price. Fortunately for me, other electricity consumers are paying me money through the FIT scheme. I'm not defending the FIT, just using it to earn money.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aurora wrote:
kenneal wrote:
Caroline Lucas wrote:
we know that our UK homes are so poorly insulated that 1 in every 4 spent heating our homes is wasted.


She got that wrong. It should be 3.50 in 4.00 spent heating our homes is wasted.

Where did you get this information Ken?


On the basis that most homes can save between 80% and 90% on their energy bills by insulating properly they can save 3.50 in every 4 spent now.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Inspector Calls wrote:
. Can I just check, are your PV panels, for example, subsidised?


No! Not at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:

The French power stations were built with government money. VAT on bills is not the issue.
So were most of ours, if you assume CEGB=Government, just as you take EdF=government

biffvernon wrote:

My pv panels are not subsidised. I paid the full market price. Fortunately for me, other electricity consumers are paying me money through the FIT scheme. I'm not defending the FIT, just using it to earn money.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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