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[goslow]

but belief in God is substantially more massive in Africa and Asia than Europe and the UK. Go figure.

[Aurora]

[goslow]

well, people in Africa and Asia aren't thick y'know.

[sushil_yadav]

Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.

How can this ever be true?

A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.

It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.

The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands
of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.

And only a small percentage of trees that are planted survive to grow into healthy adult trees.

And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace
the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects
that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.

Secondly where are you planting new trees? You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.

But this is not the case.

We have got a very small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km.
On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Included in
the remaining land area are deserts, rocky mountains and glaciers which
do not support vegetation.

If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees,
plants, vegetation by itself. This is how nature grew all the forests
in this world.

Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.

Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for
agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut
down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for
mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road
network.

So once the forest is cut down the land is taken up for agriculture,
for cattle grazing, for industry, for towns and cities, for rail and
road network.

So where are the new trees being planted? Where are they growing up?

How can green cover ever increase?

Lies, lies, lies .........blatant lies.

The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.

One can know the truth by looking at the satellite pictures of forests
- before and after. One can see the satellite pictures of forests taken
30 years ago and compare them with the pictures taken this year.


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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[clv101]

[Keela]

We have 3 hectares planted under a gov grant. Now 12 years old they are occupying land that was previously used for grazing.

Also I think more trees are now left to grow to maturity in hedgerows around these parts.

Of course Ireland was/is one of the most deforested lands in Europe. So it's not so hard to improve from rock bottom.

[emordnilap]

[JohnB]

I've planted 126 trees so far, and cut down a small fraction of this number. Many more to go hopefully

Oh, and my lodgers planted another 80 or so.
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[sushil_yadav]

This planet can only sustain societies that produce their own food.

This planet cannot sustain societies that do not produce their own food.

Everyone in this world is eating food.

But everyone in this world is not producing food.

Today 50% of world population is living in cities. This population is not producing food. A society that does not produce its own food creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied. People would go crazy if this unnecessary work is not created. A city-based/ non-farming society is mostly engaged in production and selling of consumer goods and services. Work turns into over-work, extra work, destructive work.

When society produces its own food it destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter.

When society does not produce its own food it destroys ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing, shelter.

Cities existed before Industrial Revolution but their destructive impact was very little because they were not producing consumer goods that are being made today.

We can never save environment if we are destroying extra - We can never save environment if we destroy it for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

It is impossible to save environment as long as cities exist.

It is impossible to save environment if we have societies that do not produce their own food.


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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[the_lyniezian]

[sushil_yadav]

......

Technology has destroyed ecosystems.

But the Techno-Worshippers of this Industrial Society want still more technology, new technology, better technology, advanced technology - they keep claiming that technology will save the ecosystems.

Bring this technology, bring that technology - Bring this technology, bring that technology.

Two thousand years ago the air was clean - it was not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial gases and particulate matter.

Which technology made the air clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago the rivers and oceans were clean - they were not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial waste.

Which technology made the water clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago the planet was full of forests - millions of species thrived - their population was hundreds and thousands of times greater than what it is now.

Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago the oceans were full of fish and other marine species.

Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste did not exist on this planet.

Which technology kept the planet waste-free? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?

Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, chemical waste, eWaste, nuclear waste did not exist on this planet.

Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?



Technology does not save ecosystems - it is the absence of technology that saves ecosystems.

Science, technology and industrialization lead to over-exploitation of ecosystems.

Technology is not the saviour of ecosystems - technology is the destroyer of ecosystems.


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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[snow hope]

You have a point, I'll give you that Sushil !

But I ask yet again, what do you think we should do?

How do you think we should move forward from here?

How should your 1.1 billion countrymen, women and children live?

You have clearly illucidated the problem, now time for some answers please......
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[kenneal]

Two thousand years ago the tiger had space to roam.

Two thousand years ago the elephant was free in the forest.

Two thousand years ago Indians existed by using water from the surface of their great continent.

Two thousand years ago India was not on the brink of over population.

We've all got things to sort out.
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[emordnilap]

s_y has no answers.

Do any of us have any, apart from that of setting what we believe to be a good example?
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The human appears to have no idea what its ideal diet should be; has self-inflicted diet-related diseases; causes extensive environmental destruction through basic food production & creates pathogenic infestations that widely infect its food supply.

[JohnB]