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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
Who, me? Confused


No, that other geezer with the flowery avatar.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chilcot Report......War.....Terrorism.

If you kill one person it is Murder.
If you kill a few hundred it is Terrorism.
If you kill a few million it is War.
If you kill the entire planet it is Progress, Growth, Development.

Military Industrial Complex = War and Terrorism.
War = Terrorism.
War is the biggest act of Terrorism.

Weapon industry came with industrialization.......War industry came with industrialization.........Global wars came with industrialization........Global terrorism came with industrialization........Global wars and terrorism were not possible in pre-industrial society in the absence of weapon industry, transportation industry and communication industry.

Global wars and terrorism cannot be stopped without eradicating industrial society.

Lockheed Martin.......Boeing.........Raytheon..........Northrop Grumman..........General Dynamics........And hundreds of other weapon manufacturers all over the world.........These are the real terrorists whose weapons have fuelled war and terrorism everywhere in this world..........Weapons produced by these corporations have killed millions of people.

In a non-industrial world NATO couldn't have meddled in the Middle East or Afghanistan.........ISIS, Taliban or AlQaida couldn't have attacked the west because guns and explosives did not exist before industrialization........The one and only cause of all problems is industrialization.

The nonsense of Cold Wars and Hot Wars came with industrialization........NATO created Taliban to fight Russian forces in Afghanistan.........NATO is responsible for the emergence of ISIS.........NATO attacked and flattened Iraq........NATO toppled Saddam Hussain who was holding the country together........The chaos and violence that resulted from American invasion of Iraq led to the emergence of ISIS.
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What is being used for war and terrorism???..........Are flowers being used for war and terrorism???

The more weapons you produce the more war and terrorism you will have.

Do you see war and terrorism in millions of other species???
Millions of other species never produced weapons.

All the war, violence and terrorism in this world has been fuelled by millions of tonnes of weapons produced and sold by the weapon industry.

Countries that have produced and sold weapons are the biggest terrorists.

Corporations that have produced and sold weapons are the biggest terrorists.

All problems have been worsened by industrialization........In pre-industrial society more than 99% of population was producing food........The armies of kings consisted of just a few hundred soldiers........How much war and violence would you expect in such a society???

In industrial society 50% of population is not producing food.........It is doing destructive work.........Millions of people are working for the Weapon Industry........Millions of people are employed in the Army, Air Force and Navy........Millions of people are working for the Intelligence Agencies.

Largescale war, violence and terrorism is a natural outcome of this.

Technology is the biggest terrorist.........All the guns, weapons and explosives came with science and technology.

Pre-industrial wars were fought face-to-face, on foot or horse-back, with swords and spears.........Industrial weapons can kill from thousands of kilometers away....... Bombs and missiles can decimate people from a distance.

Wars have happened on earth for thousands of years.........But there is a world of difference between pre-industrial wars and industrial wars.

Comparing pre-industrial wars with industrial wars is like comparing the Lamp with the Sun.

More people have died in hundred years of wars after industrialization (20th century) than in thousands of years of wars before industrialization.

World wars happened only after industrialization.........World wars were not possible in pre-industrial society.

In pre-industrial society war and violence was mostly localized.......In pre-industrial society countries in one continent could not have caused war and violence in countries of another continent.

Even religious conflicts have been aggravated by industrialization and urbanization...........In pre-industrial society people of one race and religion mostly stayed in one region because of the absence of industrial transportation........This minimized religious conflicts.
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America is the biggest manufacturer and supplier of weapons in the world which have fuelled war, violence and terrorism everywhere that has killed millions of people.

800 Military Bases all over the world.

America has bombed every continent in the world.....Killed millions of people with smart bombs, depleted uranium bombs, carpet bombing, drone attacks, economic sanctions and embargoes..

America has toppled governments.....Installed puppet regimes.....Destabilized the entire world.
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3000 people died in the World Trade Tower collapse........America created a big ruckus.......It attacked and flattened Afghanistan and killed hundreds of thousands of people directly or indirectly.

More than 10,000 people died in Bhopal Gas Tragedy in India in 1984.......Half a million people were maimed for life........Genetic disorders will continue for generations.........The worst industrial accident in the world caused by American company Union Carbide.........America resisted the extradition of Warren Anderson , chairman of Union Carbide for 30 years.......He died last year.......No american got punished for the biggest industrial crime in the world.
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The entire industrial society is a terrorist........Industrial society has destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.......Industrial society has tortured, slaughtered and decimated millions of species.

Industrialization was the biggest act of terrorism in this world.

Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

Industrial society has destroyed the planet with Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Electricity Industry, Oil Industry, Automobile and Rail Industry, Airline and Shipping Industry, Meat and Fishing Industry.
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All problems of industrial society have either been created by industrialization or worsened by industrialization.........All problems of industrial society are unsolvable because industrialization itself is the cause of problems.........Problems of industrial society can go away only when industrial society goes away.

Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Man lived in hunter_gatherer society for one million years........Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, the flowery avatar geezer who frequently tells stuff we knew already, again, anain and again. Perhaps he is a population control device that hopes we will get so bored with the repetetive diatribe we will all go and jump off a cliff. Unfortunately we have no suitable cliffs near at hand.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh due calm down Shushi! If the modern industrial and agricultural system had not evolved your parents would have not survived childhood and you would have never been born. Start where you are and move ahead. There is no point on rewriting the past.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Automaton wrote:
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Well, I would say that for every one of those choices that you made, you chose the very best option for you that you could choose; given all of you previous knowledge and experience, and your understanding of what such a choice was most likely to mean. We know from neuroscience that you would have unconsciously made that decision before you were consciously aware of it. And I would say that you couldn't have made any other decision; you couldn't have thought differently than you did, even though it seems otherwise. And I would also say, finally, that I'm glad your choices have worked out so well for you.


Well how come some people with the same information either ignored it, the major part of the population, or completely went the other way, the Koch brothers, because it would have affected their wealth to do something about the growing problem?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Automaton wrote:
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Well, I would say that for every one of those choices that you made, you chose the very best option for you that you could choose; given all of you previous knowledge and experience, and your understanding of what such a choice was most likely to mean. We know from neuroscience that you would have unconsciously made that decision before you were consciously aware of it. And I would say that you couldn't have made any other decision; you couldn't have thought differently than you did, even though it seems otherwise. And I would also say, finally, that I'm glad your choices have worked out so well for you.


Well how come some people with the same information either ignored it, the major part of the population, or completely went the other way, the Koch brothers, because it would have affected their wealth to do something about the growing problem?
Because they didn't have precisely the same information nor were they subject to precisely the same internally constrained inherited behavioral biases. For that to be true, they would have had to be literally you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:

Well how come some people with the same information either ignored it, the major part of the population, or completely went the other way, the Koch brothers, because it would have affected their wealth to do something about the growing problem?


Because they didn't have precisely the same information nor were they subject to precisely the same internally constrained inherited behavioral biases. For that to be true, they would have had to be literally you.


Exactly. Your experience is unique, so your understanding and your knowledge is yours and yours alone; even if others share some (or much) similarity with you, and even if they make the same choices, their reasons are not the same because they cannot understand it exactly as you do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushil_yadav wrote:
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Chilcot Report......War.....Terrorism....
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Well that's just spam Sushil.

You might as well be trying to sell us shoes or something....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What spam???.........what I posted is about war and terrorism and it is my own text........It is totally relevant to the recent news story about Chilcot Report......It is also relevant to the sub-forum Government and Society.

Am I selling anything for profit here???

What is the worth of your stupid two line comment........does it say anything useful or relevant?

Stop whining.......If you have frustrations in life you need to take them out somewhere else.

There are a few people here who don't discuss the issue......They focus on personal attacks.

You should be discussing the issues rather than indulging in personal attacks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushil_yadav wrote:
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What spam???.........what I posted is about war and terrorism and it is my own text........It is totally relevant to the recent news story about Chilcot Report......It is also relevant to the sub-forum Government and Society.

What is the worth of your stupid two line comment........does it say anything useful or relevant......stop whining.

If you have frustrations in life you need to take them out somewhere else.

There are a few people here who don't discuss the issue......They focus on personal attacks.

You should be discussing the issue rather than indulging in personal attacks.
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Really? Are we supposed to think that you honestly just sat and carefully composed that message, to further the discussion that is happening here?
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How many other forums did you cut-and-paste the same thing on again this time? A quick google search shows that this is what you do: you said the same things here 10 years ago (http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1796), and many times since, and have just repeated it over and over all over the web. Sure, sometimes you mix it up a bit, putting different cut-and-pasted bits in different orders, maybe even adding a few words, like "Chilcot Report......War.....Terrorism" here and there to make it seem pertinent. But pasting the same dis-jointed, tired old stuff over and over again is not 'discussion' Sushil, it's spam.

So go on... say something new for a change. Join the discussion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushil_yadav wrote:
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What spam???.........what I posted is about war and terrorism and it is my own text........It is totally relevant to the recent news story about Chilcot Report......It is also relevant to the sub-forum Government and Society.

Am I selling anything for profit here???

What is the worth of your stupid two line comment........does it say anything useful or relevant?

Stop whining.......If you have frustrations in life you need to take them out somewhere else.

There are a few people here who don't discuss the issue......They focus on personal attacks.

You should be discussing the issues rather than indulging in personal attacks.
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Please don't take this as an ad hominem attack; but sir, you are a blaggard.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushi, ......... who is selling anything for profit here???

What is the worth of your stupid multi line and mostly multi-paragraph comments, for they are not in any way a discussion........does it say anything useful that you have not said dozens of times before?

Stop whining.......If you have frustrations in life you need to take them out somewhere else.

There are few people here who don't discuss the issue......and they don't just trot out the same mantras time and time again.

You should be discussing the issues rather than indulging in personal attacks as you have just done to Automaton..
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Turkey coup is not the last coup.......The last and ultimate coup is going to come from nature that is soon going to overthrow the human species that has overthrown millions of other species........Industrial governments have destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.......The planet is dying and gasping for last breath........Instead of stopping the system, politicians are fighting over who should run the government.

Millions of other species are not even getting food because their habitats have been destroyed by industry.........Industrial man wants food, clothing, shelter, thousands of consumer goods and services, salary, pension, insurance, healthcare, welfare.........And people thought this decadent and destructive lifestyle is going to continue forever........Height of Insanity.

Global village was bound to collapse........Smaller the system the more stable it is.........Larger the system the more unstable it is.

Hunter_Gatherer society sustained for hundreds of thousands of years.........Agrarian society sustained for 10,000 years (and would have sustained forever if it had not been replaced by industrial society)........Industrial society is collapsing after just about 100 years.

Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

Industrial society is ungovernable, unmanageable and unsustainable.........Industrial society must be eradicated, abolished, dismantled immediately.

People who cannot even solve personal and family problems are trying to solve national and international problems.

People who cannot even control their body weight and mind are trying to control the global village.

How can international agreements work when even marriage agreements are not working in industrial society???
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Millions of species have already been decimated by industrial activity.......Man is next on the list.......Human collapse will come with lightning speed now.

If man doesn't leave Industrialism, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP, he will have to leave this planet very soon.

Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.

Industrial man has destroyed Exponential Extra Environment.

EXPONENTIAL EXTRA ENVIRONMENT.

The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.........Millions of other species only get food from earth.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushil_yadav wrote:
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Turkey coup is not the last coup.......The last and ultimate coup is going.............<snip>

People who cannot even solve personal and family problems are trying to solve national and international problems.

People who cannot even control their body weight and mind are trying to control the global village.

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People who cannot take part in a discussion post loads of words, but all the same, in many places. This is called SPAM.

As has been asked earlier, "Why not take part in the discussion?" instead of just ranting?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushil_yadav wrote:
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The last and ultimate coup is going to come from nature that is soon going to overthrow the human species that has overthrown millions of other species.......
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I think you're wrong Sushil. You talk about humans as if they could have done differently than they have, but there's no reason to think that's true. As I've pointed out previously on this thread humans are not separate from nature; we are as natural as anything else. To think otherwise would be highly egotistical, don't you think? We're just playing our part in the way things have to be, and railing against it will make no difference.

Which is not to say we couldn't do things differently in the future; but attempting to induce guilt and fear is unlikely to persuade people to do so.
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