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emordnilap · Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 9466 Location: way out west

This is a welcome light-hearted look at energy, with serious undertones.

Read and enjoy!
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kenneal - lagger · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:54 am Post subject:

I got cross with the comments and stopped reading as many of the posters just didn't see the point of the article. I think Tom Murphy was getting cross as well from this

biffvernon · Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 13901 Location: Lincolnshire

Yes, that's what shows the great divide in ethics between those who care about their own lives now and maybe their immediate family and acquaintances and those who are willing to embrace the welfare of those in both distant lands and distant times.

So long as economic growth can appear to be maintained for the immediate future, politicians declare their work a success.
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featherstick · Joined: 05 Mar 2010 Posts: 1215

We're doomed. Or, at least, my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildre are doomed!
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emordnilap · Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 9466 Location: way out west

kenneal - lagger · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:43 am Post subject:

I'll agree with that Em, but on that particular thread many just didn't get it. Mainly Yanks, I would think.
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It is very, very, very serious indeed. This is the big one!" Professor Tim Lang, APPGOPO, 25/03/08. And he was talking about food, not oil or the economy!

biffvernon · Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 13901 Location: Lincolnshire

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JavaScriptDonkey · Joined: 02 Jun 2011 Posts: 1472 Location: SE England

Professor Albert Bartlett did this better 10 years ago.

kenneal - lagger · Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject:

If you do a search for Albert Bartlett or exponential growth on this forum, JSD, you'll find that he is one of the most quoted people on here. We are fully cognisant of his lecture and most of us bought into it years ago. I have been quoting him in lectures for a couple of years at least.

I think you will find, Biff and Featherstick, that the world economy will have been in tatters for a few years even before the Arctic is clear of ice in summer, let alone the ice caps gone.

Vermont, I think you will find that the great British public wouldn't even know what was being talked about. They might hear about growth but couldn't relate it to them being more affluent every year. They are cushioned by the Welfare State. In the US the consequences of a lack of growth and the realisation of what will happen without it are probably a lot sharper. Hence the howls of anguish over any thought of it not being possible in the future.
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It is very, very, very serious indeed. This is the big one!" Professor Tim Lang, APPGOPO, 25/03/08. And he was talking about food, not oil or the economy!