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Any pitfalls in buying a very small woodland ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The farmer wanted rid of the land because his cows wander into it and cant find the way out, or become sick from eating unfit materials or drinking stagnant water.
2,000 for each of the 2 plots, each just under an acre seems fair, in view of the limited access.
My friends only moved in a few years ago, the farmer had offered the same land to the previous owners of the house for 500, but they declined.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This woodland, once purchase, will be part of the garden
Tempory Structures (IE wooden) in gardens dont need planning permission.

Buy a shed.
Job done.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Any pitfalls in buying a very small woodland ? Reply with quote

woodpecker wrote:

That relates to agricultural land, NOT to woodland/forest. As I pointed out above (follow the link) woodland has entirely different rules, and there is no threshold as there is for agricultural.


I did say that...

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The following is from the Farmer's Guide to Planning and relates to farmland NOT working woodland but it may help someone...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The farmer wanted rid of the land because his cows wander into it and cant find the way out, or become sick from eating unfit materials...


Interesting fungi included, probably.... Very Happy

Although there's nothing to stop him from putting a fence up, if this is the problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DominicJ wrote:
This woodland, once purchase, will be part of the garden
Tempory Structures (IE wooden) in gardens dont need planning permission.

Buy a shed.
Job done.


The land will not become part of the garden unless PP is obtained for a change of use from agricultural land to residential land. This is not usually given.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
The farmer wanted rid of the land because his cows wander into it and cant find the way out, or become sick from eating unfit materials or drinking stagnant water.
2,000 for each of the 2 plots, each just under an acre seems fair, in view of the limited access.
My friends only moved in a few years ago, the farmer had offered the same land to the previous owners of the house for 500, but they declined.


So your friends should also allow for the cost of robust, cow-proof fencing around the plot, presumably.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Initialy cow resistant fencing will be installed by the vendor in order to keep out the cows.
Subsequent maintenance of the fence will also be done by the owner of the cows, this will be in writing as part of the sale.

There will be a gate in the fence in case of need, but it will be agreed that said gate is for use by mutuall agreement, and does not give rise to any right of way by either party over the land of the other.

Although the sale has been agreed in principle, nothing has yet been signed, and for a very good reason !
BEFORE the sale, the farmer is going to erect in the woodland a small building, no PP is needed for agricultural use as part of a large farm.
The land will then be sold complete with the building, the new owners not requiring PP as the building was already there when they bought the land.
The building will be erected this weekend, complete with a woostove and PV electricity.
There is no intention to use the building as a home whilst times are normal, but it certainly could be so used after TSHTF.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
Initialy cow resistant fencing will be installed by the vendor in order to keep out the cows.
Subsequent maintenance of the fence will also be done by the owner of the cows, this will be in writing as part of the sale.

There will be a gate in the fence in case of need, but it will be agreed that said gate is for use by mutuall agreement, and does not give rise to any right of way by either party over the land of the other.

Although the sale has been agreed in principle, nothing has yet been signed, and for a very good reason !
BEFORE the sale, the farmer is going to erect in the woodland a small building, no PP is needed for agricultural use as part of a large farm.
The land will then be sold complete with the building, the new owners not requiring PP as the building was already there when they bought the land.
The building will be erected this weekend, complete with a woostove and PV electricity.
There is no intention to use the building as a home whilst times are normal, but it certainly could be so used after TSHTF.


I think you'll find that a planning application would still be needed but it would come under the remit of Permitted Development and could not be refused in principle, though the authority can have a say in the type of materials, location etc. Farmers can't just build buildings on their land when they feel like it. Having said that if no one complains you'll get away with it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done to your friends adam2 (and their neighbours), it seems like a pretty good bit of preparation to me!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SleeperService wrote:
Well done to your friends adam2 (and their neighbours), it seems like a pretty good bit of preparation to me!


The preps were prompted by lurking on these forums, and in particular by study of this thread
http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11168&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=busineses&start=0

And also by reading "one second after" and "retrieved from the future"
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alternative-energy wrote:
adam2 wrote:
Initialy cow resistant fencing will be installed by the vendor in order to keep out the cows.
Subsequent maintenance of the fence will also be done by the owner of the cows, this will be in writing as part of the sale.

There will be a gate in the fence in case of need, but it will be agreed that said gate is for use by mutuall agreement, and does not give rise to any right of way by either party over the land of the other.

Although the sale has been agreed in principle, nothing has yet been signed, and for a very good reason !
BEFORE the sale, the farmer is going to erect in the woodland a small building, no PP is needed for agricultural use as part of a large farm.
The land will then be sold complete with the building, the new owners not requiring PP as the building was already there when they bought the land.
The building will be erected this weekend, complete with a woostove and PV electricity.
There is no intention to use the building as a home whilst times are normal, but it certainly could be so used after TSHTF.


I think you'll find that a planning application would still be needed but it would come under the remit of Permitted Development and could not be refused in principle, though the authority can have a say in the type of materials, location etc. Farmers can't just build buildings on their land when they feel like it. Having said that if no one complains you'll get away with it.


For an agricultural building to be erected without PP but after giving Agricultural Building Notice to the LPA it must be more than 400 metres from any other non agricultural building. The LPA may also have local requirements about the distances from dwelling of agricultural buildings. It must also be designed for agricultural use.

Your friends may have a problem with this in the future Adam.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
adam2 wrote:
The farmer wanted rid of the land because his cows wander into it and cant find the way out, or become sick from eating unfit materials...


Interesting fungi included, probably.... Very Happy

Although there's nothing to stop him from putting a fence up, if this is the problem.


This is what I was wondering... surely selling the land will make no difference to the cows! It'll be his responsibility for fencing whether he sells the land or not.

Whatever it sounds like a bit of luck for your friends.. especially with the building!

There's a bit of land at the back of my mums just like this - swampy, boggy, woodland, about that size, had my eye on it for years but the woman wants stupid money for it unfortunately
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sceptical now. The farmer wants to sell the land because his cows wander in and eat bad weeds, yet he is willing to fence it off. He is also going to erect a building before sale, and all for 2k per acre when it is adjoining a private property.

The farmer needs his bumps feeling, woodland fetches 5k + per acre even in poor locations, let alone fenced off, with buildings, and adjoining private housing.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think that the building is included in the 2,000 ! I presume that it would be extra. The building could well cost about that rendering the whole idea pointless if it was included.
A fence would have been needed in any case to keep out the cows even if the farmer retained the land.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
I'm sceptical now. The farmer wants to sell the land because his cows wander in and eat bad weeds, yet he is willing to fence it off. He is also going to erect a building before sale, and all for 2k per acre when it is adjoining a private property.

The farmer needs his bumps feeling, woodland fetches 5k + per acre even in poor locations, let alone fenced off, with buildings, and adjoining private housing.


Yeah...doesn't make much sense to me either.

The "bad weeds" may well be Hemlock Water Dropwort, which likes boggy places. Capable of killing a cow if it eats a lot of it or eats the roots.

http://www.first-nature.com/flowers/oenanthe_crocata.php
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