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Any pitfalls in buying a very small woodland ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Birch is a colonising tree and often dies out when succession trees take over. Birch are short lived, 80 is old. Most succumb to rot/fungal attacks by 60. They coppice well, re-growth is quick. They are much better than Alder as a firewood.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Birch would not be my first choice for building and they are a relatively short-lived species. The can re-generate from the stump if cut down to just above ground level.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A big bonus with Birch is that making Birch wine is easy

http://tonydunnell.suite101.com/how-to-make-birch-sap-wine-a127849

and you are quite right Biff, coppicing is the way to go with Birch, and Birch bark is a delicacy for goats too (useless tip #10,654).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Birch bark shoes!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We burn quite bit of alder without any problems.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
Birch bark shoes!


I'll raise you

Birch Bark Canoe
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
We burn quite bit of alder without any problems.


There's very little difference, weight for weight, in the calorific value of different timbers. Some dry out more quickly than others, some are easier to split than others and some burn more quickly than others. Birch might be good to get a fire lit but hawthorn is good to keep the fire in overnight.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my limited experience silver birch is good firewood, have purchased loads* for Mothers new wood stove.
Mixed wood but over half was birch.
Quite a bit was oak, but only in very small branches. Two large oaks were cut for building timber and furniture manufacture, all the small branches and large twigs sold as fire wood.

The wood is to be lightly managed with wildlife in mind.
Wildlife seems to consist largely of frogs, wood pigeon, numerous small birds, and rabbits.
Rabbits are to be shot as they are pests, other wildlife not to be needlesly molested.
The local authority have visted, and seemed more concerned about rabbit control, than anything else.

The wood purchased was not from the land refered to, but from nearby.
Wood cut from my friends new woodland is not yet dry enough to make good stove fuel.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A local council official recently visited both small woodland plots.
They carefully inspected the new building to ensure that it was not being used for living space, and seemed satisfied.
There is no intention to illegally live in the building whilst times are normal, but it could certainly be so used in an emergency.

The main concern was again rabbit control, though these pests are no longer numerous.

They made no comment on the clear cutting of a very narrow strip next to the garden.
The wood thus obtained is mainly fire wood, with some suitable for fence posts.
The clreared area has been planted with holly bushes, the owners believing that this will be profitable.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update time, nearly a year on.

The small woodland which has allways been a bit marshy has been regularly underwater, to a much greater extent than expected. Part of the existing garden also flooded.

The clear cutting of a small strip near the existing garden has certainly made the garden much brighter.

Vegatable growing has not been very succesful due to the ground being too waterlogged.
Holly bushes growing well

Loads of timber harvested, more than expected.

The new building has not flooded as it was built on the highest part of the plot, but was nearly surounded by water at one point.

Rabbits have multiplied like rabbits and are a growing problem, the farmer shoots then regularly but they are still numerous.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you need a few foxes.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:

Rabbits have multiplied like rabbits and are a growing problem, the farmer shoots then regularly but they are still numerous.


Rabbits + air rifle = free food.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
Update time, nearly a year on.

The small woodland which has allways been a bit marshy has been regularly underwater, to a much greater extent than expected. Part of the existing garden also flooded.

The clear cutting of a small strip near the existing garden has certainly made the garden much brighter.

Vegatable growing has not been very succesful due to the ground being too waterlogged.
Holly bushes growing well

Loads of timber harvested, more than expected.

The new building has not flooded as it was built on the highest part of the plot, but was nearly surounded by water at one point.

Rabbits have multiplied like rabbits and are a growing problem, the farmer shoots then regularly but they are still numerous.
Shame you're not based in North Yorkshire. I'd have happily made a dent in your rabbit population.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind Adam that conditions have been exceptional in the last 12 months. No guarantee that it will be that wet in the woodland every year. We even have some standing water in ours, and we've had nothing like the amount of rain you folks have had further south.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a ditch around or in the woodland, Adam? If so cleaning it out could control the water somewhat, depends on the topography.
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