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UndercoverElephant
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| DominicJ wrote: | And one wonders how many of the poeple complaining about rising fairs were tweeting happy thoughts to the striking train drivers....
Trains are a monopoly... |
Trains are a privatised system which should have remained in public ownership. They should be renationalised with shareholders taking a 100% loss.
Privatising BR was the single largest mistake made by Thatcher. And she made lots. |
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UndercoverElephant
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| emordnilap wrote: |
Half a holiday is the travelling. |
Unless the holiday is on a narrowboat, in which case most of it is the travelling! |
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emordnilap
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| RenewableCandy wrote: | | emordnilap wrote: |
Of course, you could give Michael O'Leary yet more money to trash the planet with. Flying sounds 'cheap' compared to travelling by train but of course you have both journeys to pay for, with all the added extras and surcharges, you can only take a small amount of luggage, you have to pay for trips to and from airports, etc etc and you're not paying for even the tiniest fraction of your impact on the environment, nor your taking into account your support of an ultimately stupid way of shifting bodies round the planet. |
Quite. |
There's a guy in the audience got shares in Ryanair. Or is he a member of PS?
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DominicJ
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | They should be renationalised with shareholders taking a 100% loss. |
And you want people to invest in windfarms?
Why would they, if the host government has a history for theft on a massive scale?
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UndercoverElephant
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| DominicJ wrote: | | Quote: | | They should be renationalised with shareholders taking a 100% loss. |
And you want people to invest in windfarms?
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Nope, I want the government to build windfarms.
I don't believe the free market can solve our problems. Ecological sustainability and the need to make a profit are goals which are generally incompatible in a free market. We cannot rely on people to build renewable power sources because they think they can make a profit. We need them to be built even if they make a loss. |
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adam2
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| DominicJ wrote: |
Is there a reason electric trains are so much shorter? |
Just to show that electric trains dont HAVE to be short, nasty, cramped and overcrowded, look at this from the good old days !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkebZOjpgQE&feature=related
This service ran until 1972 !
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maudibe
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dom wrote:
| Quote: | | Why would they, if the host government has a history for theft on a massive scale? |
Yep, that works both ways though doesn't it?
What was the whole shiz with national services (owned by the people) being sold out to shareholders; ie those that could afford to buy shares.
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leroy
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Me and a friend holidayed in Holland last year. London Liverpool Street to Harwich, big ferry overnight to Hook of Holland, and a train to any major Dutch city for one price, which I think was £25 + £30something for the cabin+ £19 for a reasonable 3 course meal with serviceon the boat. Nice way to see the North Sea (from one of the biggest ferries in the world) if it gets rough. Rented bikes from various hostels we stayed at and saw Botanic Gardens and Arboretums in Leiden, Delft, Amsterdam and Rotterdam, rode a lot of trains and looked round some really impressive allotments. Not an expensive holiday in all, and beats the hell out of drinking beer all day on an all inclusive place on the Costas. Scotland by train next. Don't do planes, can't f**ing stand them. I wonder how much the Dutch spend on their railways and maintaining cycle routes- you can actually cycle from city to city through beautiful countryside on dedicated cycle roads, not lanes to the side of cars roaring past.
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biffvernon
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Marvellous. I've been on the Brighton Belle. Family outing to Brighton when I was a kid. Pulman, though we were in 2nd not 1st class.
Isn't it funny how stuff gets worse.
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@Leroy We've done a couple of such trips, both from Harwich and on the overnight from Hull. Excellent experience.
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emordnilap
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| biffvernon wrote: | Isn't it funny how stuff gets worse.
Vellum - paper - digital media
Live music - analogue recording - digital recording |
Aah yes, progress.
I was using a loo in a restaurant in Dublin. The urinal flushed 'automatically' as I moved away; the soap dispenser dispensed automatically; the water for washing started automatically; so did the hand drier. There was even a rubbish bin which opened electrically, as you moved your hand towards the appropriate spot.
I was miffed at having to open the door manually. Such effort!
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JohnB
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| emordnilap wrote: | | I was miffed at having to open the door manually. Such effort! |
Presumably as everything else is automated, there's no hygiene reasons for not touching a door handle  .
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emordnilap
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| JohnB wrote: | | emordnilap wrote: | | I was miffed at having to open the door manually. Such effort! |
Presumably as everything else is automated, there's no hygiene reasons for not touching a door handle . |
There are no hygiene reasons for having an automated soap dispenser either, when you think about it!
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leroy
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No, that's right. the most important bits of infection control are being able to turn off the tap without contact with your hands, no previously used towels and opening the door without contacting a door handle which has probably been used by those who haven't washed their hands.
It is amazing how inneffective we are at washing our hands- if you spray some stuff on your hands which only shows up under IR light and do a normal sort of hand wash you miss loads of areas, hence the methodical system used in healthcare. |
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biffvernon
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energy-village
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| biffvernon wrote: | | Brass and copper fittings are much safer than stainless steel. The bugs just die. |
Safer but I fear the brass and copper would soon be half inched. |
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