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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Wind turbine planning ruling Reply with quote

This could be quite significant:

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The judge decided that a council's attempt to impose a minimum distance of 1.2km (three quarters of a mile) between wind farms and people's homes was unlawful, in a test case that could have far-reaching consequences for national planning laws.
Milton Keynes Borough Council in Buckinghamshire tried to prevent the wind energy firm RWE Npower Renewables Ltd from erecting 125 metre high turbines less than 1,217 metres from homes after it put in planning applications for two wind farms in the borough.
The firm took the council to court, arguing that the "emerging policy" of imposing a sliding scale of minimum distances, based on the height of turbines, contradicted its existing local development plan, which recommends a minimum distance of 350m.
The company argued that the new policy would "sterilise" the borough for wind farms because so few sites would comply with it, and feared that the policy would set a national precedent.
Judge John Howells QC agreed with RWE today in a High Court judgement which is likely to be used as a trump card by energy firms whenever councils object to wind farms being built too close to homes.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/planning/9994739/Judge-gives-energy-firms-the-right-to-build-wind-farms-350-metres-from-homes.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"trump card" nice turn of phrase Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up here walkers are warned not to stray too close to wind turbines in winter conditions due to the risk of icing, and chunks of ice being thrown from the turbine blades. I wonder how far a, say 5kg, lump of ice would travel if it was dislodged from a blade tip?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tip height 100 metres, time for ice to fall to ground x = 1/2 g t^2, tip speed usually about 1.2 times wind speed (iirc), so say 20 m/sec, distance = speed * time...(gets out bit of scrap paper with tea stains on...)

So, t is about 4.5 seconds, so horizontal distance travelled is about 90 metres, minus a bit for air resistance. Feck, that's a long way!

But what the heck are you doing out on the fells in that kind of weather anyway (says she having been dragged up Cader bloody Idris in the snow)?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what the heck are you doing out on the fells in that kind of weather anyway (says she having been dragged up Cader bloody Idris in the snow)?


Actually I was thinking more about the windows and roofs of the houses 350m away from those turbines in Milton Keynes!

(Nice job on the calculations by the way. I wonder if it would travel further with a "ballistic" effect, e.g. if the tip happened to be sweeping upwards when the chunk became dislodged?)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D'you know, I think it would? There's a sin (a) sin (2a) dependence that means that for a given speed your icecube travels further if it's launched at 45 deg. BUT of course for that to happen it won't be launched from the max possible height...this is getting complicated now, there are going to be d/dx's in it somewhere.

And so I am going to apply for a grant to investigate it experimentally. We're going to launch Donald Trump from the tip of a WT blade at various angles and plot the trajic tories.
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We're going to launch Donald Trump from the tip of a WT blade
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/11/donald-trump-loses-windfarm-scottish-golf-resort

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Making clear he was expecting to appeal, Trump alleged there had been clear and illegal bias by the Scottish government and that his rights under the European convention of human rights had been breached.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
D'you know, I think it would? There's a sin (a) sin (2a) dependence that means that for a given speed your icecube travels further if it's launched at 45 deg. BUT of course for that to happen it won't be launched from the max possible height...this is getting complicated now, there are going to be d/dx's in it somewhere.

And so I am going to apply for a grant to investigate it experimentally. We're going to launch Donald Trump from the tip of a WT blade at various angles and plot the trajic tories.


Thank goodness for a friendly astrophysicist. What would we do without her?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now the hairpiece has bought a golf course in Dublin. Are there any wind farms in the area we can invest in?
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PS_RalphW wrote:
So now the hairpiece has bought a golf course in Dublin. Are there any wind farms in the area we can invest in?


Great idea. Laughing

Not Dublin, Doonbeg, in Clare, on the opposite coast. Very upmarket course that one but climate change will cut it down to size. The recent storms caused 37 million in damage to that coast alone; a lot of money for a county with not many more than 100,000 people.

He got it at a knock-down price as it was in financial trouble. WRT wind turbines, there are plenty of nimbys in that area to keep him happy.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:
So now the hairpiece has bought a golf course in Dublin. Are there any wind farms in the area we can invest in?


Great idea. Laughing

Not Dublin, Doonbeg, in Clare, on the opposite coast. Very upmarket course that one but climate change will cut it down to size. The recent storms caused 37 million in damage to that coast alone; a lot of money for a county with not many more than 100,000 people.

He got it at a knock-down price as it was in financial trouble. WRT wind turbines, there are plenty of nimbys in that area to keep him happy.


Planned offshore wind was the first thing I checked when I read the Guardian piece! There's one being planned at Skerd Rocks not all that far away from Doonbeg but it's a good 100km so won't be visible.

http://www.nowireland.ie/offshore-wind-ireland.html
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But...but...the fact that we can't see it isn't the point. It'll still be there, pulsating, in the backgound... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donald Trump has 'not ruled out' running for POTUS 2016. That should suit him to a tee.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure you're not confusing him with Boris Johnson?
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