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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Neonicotinoid ban Reply with quote

The EU is going ahead with. the moratorium on the use of three of the neonicotinoid insecticides, following Germany's switch from abstention.

Thiacloprid is not one of the three and is still available at a garden centre near you.

Still, this is a major step forward and leaves Owen Patterson isolated.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So can I stop trying to call his office now? : )
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

featherstick wrote:
So can I stop trying to call his office now? : )


I tried a couple of times and just got an engaged tone. My natural inclination is to phone up now and just be abusive, but I guess that won't help much...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Twitter:
Unconfirmed list of countries voted against ban of neonicotinoids: CZ, IT, HU, AT, PT, RO, SK, UK
Abstentions: IE, DK, GR, FI
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical 'neutral' Ireland, which really means against the ban. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Again from Twitter.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the motivation for not banning it, as I heard this was a temporary 2 year ban.

There are other products that farmers would undoubtedly use so profits of the pesticide manufaturers would not be affected, presumably.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So all that campaigning and the UK moves from abstain to no!

Maybe next time our government wants to do something wrong we should encourage them. Alice Through Looking Glass.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A really excellent article from Dave Goulson, the sussex biologist, in the New Scientist, on bees and pesticides http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23465-bees-need-europes-pesticide-ban-whatever-the-uk-says.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

extractorfan wrote:
What is the motivation for not banning it, as I heard this was a temporary 2 year ban.

There are other products that farmers would undoubtedly use so profits of the pesticide manufaturers would not be affected, presumably.


Overall profits to the industry as a whole presumably wouldn't be affected much, but profits of particular organisations in particular places would be.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neonicotinoids don't just kill bees. Here's a new research paper on freshwater invertebrates. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0062374
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The position of the BBKA and bee keepers in general is interesting. I regularly talk to UK bee keepers, both in real life and on-line. I would say the majority aren't very concerned about neonics, and feel quite negatively towards how a broad group of non-bee keeping environmentalists have 'hijacked' their subject.

Many bee keepers actively look forward to the (neonic-treated) oil seed rape crops, they move their hives to the middle of the fields, where the bees forage on nothing else for a month. These hives perform very well by all accounts, and don't have a noticeably higher winter loss rate or any other problems.

Of course I appreciate the broader anti-pesticide position and would like nothing better than for all agriculture to be organic. But I think it is important to recognise that the 'hive mind' of the thousands of British bee keepers and their many hives of experience hasn't identified the fingerprint of neonics on what problems they are having.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure there's a parallel with the lead in petrol affair. Of course nobody wanted to damage the brains of small children but many thought the science was not 'proved', were ignorant, were in denial, were persuaded by the motor industry that there was no way a car could work with out leaded fuel etc. Eventually a combination of accumulating scientific research, medical opinion and campaigning by activists tipped the balance, legislation was enacted and the industry found a technical fix for engines. We still don't know how much of the current increase in Alzheimer's and other neuro-degenerative diseases are caused by the lead legacy or how many of these diseases are now being caused by neonicotinoids.

See for example http://www.farmlandbirds.net/en/content/detection-chloropyridinyl-neonicotinoid-insecticide-metabolite-6-chloronicotinic-acid-urine-

There's certainly quite a debate raging within the BBKA at the moment with some folks calling on certain people to resign!
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Louth Concert for Bees

http://transitiontownlouth.org.uk/concert.html
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just in case anyone missed it, here's Monbiot's thoughts on neonicotinoids and the UK government's shameful shenanigans.
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