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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Egypt military coup and ongoing discussion Reply with quote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10156630/Egypt-in-crisis-live.html

Wow! Good work in overthrowing the fascistic Islamist Brotherhood.

However, it only postpones the inevitable collapse into state failure, mass starvation, civil war and genocide which will spread throughout the Arab/north African world.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10156630/Egypt-in-crisis-live.html

Wow! Good work in overthrowing the fascistic Islamist Brotherhood.

However, it only postpones the inevitable collapse into state failure, mass starvation, civil war and genocide which will spread throughout the Arab/north African world.
LB I have to say that you are spot on regarding this issue. Really what could the military or any other leadership do to fix the problems that face the Egyptian people? This will be hard to watch as it portends what will be facing all of us shortly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They stand a better chance of ever implementing an n-1-child policy than any of their predecessors, especially the Moslem Brotherhood!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They stand a better chance of ever implementing an n-1-child policy than any of their predecessors, especially the Moslem Brotherhood!
Not until they face the fact that it is what is needed and all other courses are doomed to failure. I don't see a military organization realizing this. Instead they will go to war against what ever enemy foreign or domestic they choose to blame for their problems and urge the women of the country to "do their duty" and bare replacements for the millions they get slaughtered.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er, but is the problem too many people? In which case don't provide replacements. (PS should be bear not bare).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Er, but is the problem too many people? In which case don't provide replacements.
I would say that 80 million people with a two percent per year growth rate in a country capable of feeding just fifty million are "THE PROBLEM". Add in the lack of oil exports and gangs of ruffians that rape women in the streets destroying what was a profitable tourist industry and they are truly up the Nile without a paddle.
What name or goal you give a birthrate reduction policy is pointless as they will have none of it and are doomed to be the next Rwanda only on a exponentially increased scale.
http://www.businessinsider.com/egypts-food-problem-in-a-nutshell-2011-1
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
RenewableCandy wrote:
They stand a better chance of ever implementing an n-1-child policy than any of their predecessors, especially the Moslem Brotherhood!
Not until they face the fact that it is what is needed and all other courses are doomed to failure. I don't see a military organization realizing this. Instead they will go to war against what ever enemy foreign or domestic they choose to blame for their problems and urge the women of the country to "do their duty" and bare replacements for the millions they get slaughtered.


Wasn't Morsi gearing up the rhetoric against Syria? Certainly a number of Egyptians have turned up dead there and some firebrand Egyptian imams have called for a holy war against the Assad regime. It is also true that Egypt cut diplomatic ties with Syria recently - probably in recognition that the Assad regime won't fall anytime soon.
It all goes back to who is currently bailing out the Egyptians. Qatar has played a significant role here - Morsi was playing the tune of the Qatari pied piper. That tune has stopped.
What happens next is going to be "interesting"...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember Egypt playing host to an international conference on the very theme of Population a few years back. Anyone else remember it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
I remember Egypt playing host to an international conference on the very theme of Population a few years back. Anyone else remember it?
I can't say as I do. Apparently the message was lost on the Egyptians as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict that no matter whom may be in control in Egypt in say a years time, that the people will still/again be very dissatisfied with the way in which the country is run and will again be calling, perhaps violently, for change.

I know not exactly what promises ex president Morsi made to the people, but would presume that it included promises that food and fuel would be cheaper, and that a new era of peace and plenty would dawn.

With a fast growing population, and rising world oil and food prices it seems unlikely that lower retail food or fuel prices will be achieved.
A general increase in prosperity seems unlikely also, especialy as tourism was a major source of revenue and is now in decline, perhaps terminaly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We know that the Egyptian economy is in a bad place. Bad governance makes things worse.

There's an important lesson for us. The global economy will be in a bad place in the future as energy supplies are constrained and environmental damage bites.

As we make the transition to a new form of civilisation the quality of our governance will be key. Right now the signs are not looking good.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:
We know that the Egyptian economy is in a bad place. Bad governance makes things worse.

There's an important lesson for us. The global economy will be in a bad place in the future as energy supplies are constrained and environmental damage bites.

As we make the transition to a new form of civilisation the quality of our governance will be key. Right now the signs are not looking good.
Yes. Egypt, for all of it's particular complications vis-a-vis radical Islamism, is merely facing problems that the rest of the world has yet to fully experience.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So in reality we are watching as the first country gets pushed off the peak oil cliff. Hopefully as we hang on by our fingernails we can learn from the hard knocks they take and find the easiest way down when our time comes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
So in reality we are watching as the first country gets pushed off the peak oil cliff. Hopefully as we hang on by our fingernails we can learn from the hard knocks they take and find the easiest way down when our time comes.


Yes, poor governance probably pushed them over the edge a little quicker than might have been expected otherwise, but I believe that we will see more of this sort of thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest here.
"Troops fire on pro Mosri protesters"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23202096

If true, most regretable though probably predictable, and even if not true the allegation is hardly going to encourage peace and happiness.
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