PowerSwitch Main Page
PowerSwitch
The UK's Peak Oil Discussion Forum & Community
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

"Blue Sky Thinking" about Heathrow
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> Transport
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
biffvernon



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 18539
Location: Lincolnshire

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plane Stupid conviction:
http://www.livescience.com/53468-how-likely-is-global-warm-streak.html


Green Party wrote:
25 January 2016

The Green Party of England and Wales has issued a statement in support of a group of environmental activists called the Heathrow 13 who were found guilty today of aggravated trespass.

Green Party deputy leader, Shahrar Ali, who attended a demonstration in solidarity with the Heathrow 13 outside the court on the trials first day, said:

I am deeply disappointed by the irony of this judgement. The Judge finds the Heathrow 13 guilty of Aggravated Trespass and their actions in need of punishment. Yet alongside the support shown for them beyond the courtroom her acknowledgement that the campaigners are principled demonstrates the legitimacy of their cause.

Bigger airports make no climate sense. The UK cannot make its contribution to cutting carbon emissions while expanding airports and increasing emissions from aviation. Greens applaud the determination of the Heathrow 13 for standing up for increased numbers of residents who will suffer enormously from increasing noise and air pollution if expansion gets the go-ahead at any London airport.

We proudly stand alongside these activists who had the courage and foresight to stand up for the well-being of not just today's citizens but tomorrow's, too.

_________________
http://biffvernon.blogspot.co.uk/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
emordnilap



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 14597
Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live near Shannon airport and even mild criticism of flying brings down utter ire upon the critic and a refusal to acknowledge the huge subsidies flying in general and this airport in particular receive.

Shannon airport is seen as a golden egg in a largely rural area; many jobs are dependent upon it, in particular those in the free zone.
_________________
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PS_RalphW



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 5770
Location: Cambridge

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heathrow 3rd runway approved.

Will it ever get built? There seem to be more legal pitfalls than for new nuclear, political opposition is higher up in the hierarchy .

If it takes another 3 years to get to final clearance we could be well into the next oil price spike and financial meltdown.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 12029
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can only hope, Ralph. When it was last proposed a protest group was asking for ideas for holding up the start of the works. I suggested them kitting out a 40ft container as living accommodation with rations for weeks and then lifting it onto a couple of screw piles in the ground and bolting/welding it down through the floor. It would take ages for tptb to work our how to remove that! They would have to arrange some drainage as well and a filtered air supply to avoid any problems with tear gas or similar.
_________________
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
PS_RalphW



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 5770
Location: Cambridge

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zac Goldsmith resigns as MP.

Good chance of the LIb Dems winning back the seat on anti Brexit anti Heathrow swing.

(In fact the combination more or less guarantees it).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
adam2
Site Admin


Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 7947
Location: North Somerset

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still rather doubt that it will be built, still time for a few more years of studies and consultations, followed by legal appeals and a judicial review.

According to the "remain in the EU" lobby, brexit would result in a large decline in both trade and passenger travel, and should have negated the need for airport expansion.
Yet now that we have voted for brexit it is said that we need more airport capacity ?
_________________
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
emordnilap



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 14597
Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
Zac Goldsmith resigns as MP.

Good chance of the LIb Dems winning back the seat on anti Brexit anti Heathrow swing.

(In fact the combination more or less guarantees it).


Surely he'd get back in as an independent?
_________________
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PS_RalphW



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 5770
Location: Cambridge

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The seat used to be Liberal. By standing as an Independent Zac would force the Tories to put up their own candidate, splitting the Tory vote. Combined with Brexit and the usual by-election swing, it becomes a shoe-in for the Liberals.

Only if the Tories don't stand will Zac be elected.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
emordnilap



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 14597
Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
The seat used to be Liberal. By standing as an Independent Zac would force the Tories to put up their own candidate, splitting the Tory vote. Combined with Brexit and the usual by-election swing, it becomes a shoe-in for the Liberals.

Only if the Tories don't stand will Zac be elected.


Right, thanks.
_________________
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mark



Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1290
Location: NW England

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the Tories have said that they won't stand......
Zac should get back in and be a vocal opponent....
The Tories hope he'll be loyal on all other issues.....

Here's a plan of the proposed location:
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/245B/production/_83970390_heathrow_expansion_nw_runway_sat_624.jpg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pepperman



Joined: 10 Oct 2010
Posts: 772

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
The seat used to be Liberal. By standing as an Independent Zac would force the Tories to put up their own candidate, splitting the Tory vote. Combined with Brexit and the usual by-election swing, it becomes a shoe-in for the Liberals.

Only if the Tories don't stand will Zac be elected.


Not so sure about that. There's a chance but he has a fairly healthy majority. It looks like the Tories aren't putting up another candidate because it would split the vote and give the Lib Dems an even bigger chance of getting in. [ETA: which is what you said, sorry, got confused]

One interesting twist is that data protection rules probably mean that he can't make use of Tory email and address lists so it might become quite difficult for him to get his message out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mark



Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1290
Location: NW England

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2015/11/heathrow-never-mentions-imports-only-exports-but-imports-larger-by-tonnage-and-by-value-than-exports/
http://www.caa.co.uk/Data-and-analysis/UK-aviation-market/Airports/Datasets/UK-Airport-data/Airport-data-1990-onwards/

CAA data for 2014 shows the total air freight at Heathrow was 1,501,906 tonnes.
Heathrows proportion of long haul, non-EU, air freight is 94% of the total by weight.
Heathrow in 2014 handled around 77.6% of the UKs long haul non-EU air freight by weight.
About 93.5% of Heathrows air freight is long haul non-EU.
The next biggest is East Midlands airport, whose proportion of all UK EU air freight is 15.9% by weight.

A simple way to relieve pressure on Heathrow would seem to be to move all this freight traffic elsewhere..... East Midlands / Doncaster are central in the country and good for the Motorway network.....
I imagine a lot of the goods will be perishable foods - Asparagus from Peru and Beans from Kenya, destined for supermarkets across the country....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pepperman



Joined: 10 Oct 2010
Posts: 772

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with that idea is that the vast majority of air freight (I forget what percentage) is transported in the holds of passenger aircraft. There aren't that many dedicated freighters or combis out there.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mark



Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1290
Location: NW England

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pepperman wrote:
The problem with that idea is that the vast majority of air freight (I forget what percentage) is transported in the holds of passenger aircraft. There aren't that many dedicated freighters or combis out there.


Maybe it needs some 'blue sky thinking' by the carriers then.....??
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
emordnilap



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 14597
Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh heh. BA boss shocked to find out that third Heathrow runway will raze his HQ

Quote:
Both IAG and British Airways are based at Waterside in Harmondsworth, which opened in 1998 at a cost of 200m and sits in a 115-hectare (280-acre) manmade park. Walsh said the HQ was a fantastic environmental achievement on our part.

However, it looks unlikely to stay that way. The first I saw of it was when the Airport Commission report came out and I saw a map and I thought, that looks very close to Waterside, Walsh said. Then I discovered it actually went right through Waterside.

Walshs grievance over his doomed HQ has been compounded by the prospect of being effectively charged for the compensation bill.


Yeah, fantastic, Willie.
_________________
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> Transport All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 3 of 7

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group