PowerSwitch Main Page
PowerSwitch
The UK's Peak Oil Discussion Forum & Community
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

TTIP including TTP, CETA & TiSA
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 13, 14, 15, 16  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> Government and Society
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
biffvernon



Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 18551
Location: Lincolnshire

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This a seriously good read from Norman Finkelstein, who knows a thing or two about Jewish history.

Quote:
Did you create the controversial image that Naz Shah reposted?

Im not adept enough with computers to compose any image. But I did post the map on my website in 2014. An email correspondent must have sent it. It was, and still is, funny. Were it not for the current political context, nobody would have noticed Shahs reposting of it either. Otherwise, youd have to be humourless. These sorts of jokes are a commonplace in the U.S. So, we have this joke: Why doesnt Israel become the 51st state? Answer: Because then, it would only have two senators. As crazy as the discourse on Israel is in America, at least we still have a sense of humour. Its inconceivable that any politician in the U.S. would be crucified for posting such a map.

Shahs posting of that image has been presented as an endorsement by her of a chilling transportation policy, while John Mann MP has compared her to Eichmann.

Frankly, I find that obscene. Its doubtful these Holocaust-mongers have a clue what the deportations were, or of the horrors that attended them. I remember my late mother describing her deportation. She was in the Warsaw Ghetto. The survivors of the Ghetto Uprising, about 30,000 Jews, were deported to Maijdanek concentration camp. They were herded into railroad cars. My mother was sitting in the railroad car next to a woman who had her child. And the woman I know it will shock you the woman suffocated her infant child to death in front of my mother. She suffocated her child, rather than take her to where they were going. Thats what it meant to be deported. To compare that to someone posting a light-hearted, innocuous cartoon making a little joke about how Israel is in thrall to the U.S., or vice versaits sick. What are they doing? Dont they have any respect for the dead? All these desiccated Labour apparatchiks, dragging the Nazi holocaust through the mud for the sake of their petty jostling for power and position. Have they no shame?


https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/jamie-stern-weiner-norman-finkelstein/american-jewish-scholar-behind-labour-s-antisemitism-scanda
_________________
http://biffvernon.blogspot.co.uk/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 9822
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzzy wrote:
In danger of being lost down the newsroll:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-02/ttip-leaked-documents-show-obama-demands-killing-paris-accord-against-climate-change


Looks like Obama has gone over to the dark side to fund his upcoming retirement. Another recruit to the Prostitute State. No wonder he's campaigning so hard for the UK to stay in Europe.
_________________
"When the last tree is cut down, and the last river has been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find out that you cannot eat money". --The Cree Indians
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 9822
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, Biff. It's good to know that the Jewish sense of humour/humor is still alive and kicking, in some parts of the world anyway.

I was struck by the trivialisation of the memory of the Holocaust by the detractors use of the words "Anti Semitism" to stop even limited criticism of the Israeli government. Perhaps I should use the word Zionist in future to make absolutely clear my distinction between Jews and Jewishness, with which I have no problem, and Zionists and their actions which I find as problematic as the Holocaust itself.

I have received criticism for my criticism of Israeli/Zionist actions from some Jewish friends so perhaps this points to a certain amount of support for Israeli actions amongst the Jewish community in the UK. If they feel criticised they should not automatically shout "Pogrom" or what ever. they should just get used to the fact that political criticism is alive and well in the UK and long may it continue. The same goes for Islamism.

If you don't like it find a "nicer" country to live in, one where only the right sort of criticism can be aired. See if you enjoy living there quite so much.
_________________
"When the last tree is cut down, and the last river has been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find out that you cannot eat money". --The Cree Indians
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
emordnilap



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 13974
Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙

PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
...the talks have involved controversial issues and have been taking place when trust in politicians and business has rarely been lower. The main driving forces behind TTIP have been multinational corporations and business lobby groups, who stand to gain from harmonised regulations. With information about the secret negotiations having to be chiselled out by groups hostile to TTIP, voters have drawn the obvious conclusion: the aim of the talks is to enrich big business even if it means playing fast and loose with environmental and health standards.


Source: TTIP has been kicked into the long grass for a very long time

Let's hope he's right. Even if he is, it'll be back. The gains for the .1% are too great. I reckon that elements of TTIP will find their way in somehow, possibly piecemeal.

ISDS is a huge moneymaking goal for multinationals plus they see human and environmental safety as 'barriers to trade'.

The pressure against and the vigilance towards these anti-democracy advocates has to continue.
_________________
"Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren’t lesser beings, they’re just like us. So I say fụck the Buddhists" - Bjork
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
UndercoverElephant



Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Posts: 8640
Location: south east England

PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whole text of TTIP leaked.

https://www.ttip-leaks.org/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 9822
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With past performance of the EU and its Commission in mind the TTIP won't be kicked into touch until those Commissioners who have colluded with the corporations are sacked, barred from holding office ever again and also barred from taking a job with a multinational corporation or its subsidiary to show their replacements where their loyalties should lie!

Multinational corporations also need to be bought into line. Any that go broke should be allowed to do so and should be broken up into little bits with a bar on takeovers over a certain size. There should be laws on maximum market share so that the Tescos of this world will have to split up. 8% or even 5% should be the maximum market share that any one company can own in the retail sector so that there is true competition in both purchasing and selling.
_________________
"When the last tree is cut down, and the last river has been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find out that you cannot eat money". --The Cree Indians
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
raspberry-blower



Joined: 14 Mar 2009
Posts: 1453

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Krieger: What happened when an Irish MEP tried to read the TTIP text
_________________
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools - Douglas Adams.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
woodburner



Joined: 06 Apr 2009
Posts: 3384

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's it then, decision made, definitely voting for leaving the great protecting democracy - the EU.
_________________
If you think the economy is more important than the environment, try holding your breath while you count your money.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 9822
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With any luck it would then take us at least five more years, as promised by Cameron, for any new trade deal for us to be negotiated. By then we might have voted the Tories out!

And our local LibDem MEP supports this scam! What is she getting out of it, I wonder, because that could be the only reason for supporting it.
_________________
"When the last tree is cut down, and the last river has been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find out that you cannot eat money". --The Cree Indians
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
woodburner



Joined: 06 Apr 2009
Posts: 3384

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the reason for giving support is ignorance rather than knowledge. That applies to all other supporting politians too.
_________________
If you think the economy is more important than the environment, try holding your breath while you count your money.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
emordnilap



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 13974
Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raspberry-blower wrote:
Michael Krieger: What happened when an Irish MEP tried to read the TTIP text


Don't be put off by the Dubliners look. Very Happy Ming's intelligent, firmly on the side of ordinary people and quite a hero to many of us over here.
_________________
"Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren’t lesser beings, they’re just like us. So I say fụck the Buddhists" - Bjork
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 9822
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who was put off? I think he summed it all up very well. It certainly had me insensed and I already knew of the problem.
_________________
"When the last tree is cut down, and the last river has been poisoned, and the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find out that you cannot eat money". --The Cree Indians


Last edited by kenneal - lagger on Wed May 11, 2016 1:59 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
woodburner



Joined: 06 Apr 2009
Posts: 3384

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly.

Who was put off?
_________________
If you think the economy is more important than the environment, try holding your breath while you count your money.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
emordnilap



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Posts: 13974
Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No-one, I hope, you being such a liberal-minded lot. It's just that occasionally people can be...discombobulated on first encountering some of our native politicians. Look out for some video clips of Jackie Healy-Rae, for instance, a good example of a rural Irish politician. Or some snaps of Mick Wallace. A good man, but not the image of, say, one of your lot in the house of commons. Laughing
_________________
"Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren’t lesser beings, they’re just like us. So I say fụck the Buddhists" - Bjork
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
woodburner



Joined: 06 Apr 2009
Posts: 3384

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather trust Ming thn Cameron, Osbourne, Duncan-Smith or many of the other truth manglers.
_________________
If you think the economy is more important than the environment, try holding your breath while you count your money.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> Government and Society All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 13, 14, 15, 16  Next
Page 14 of 16

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group