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biffvernon



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:20 am    Post subject: Air traffic growth to outpace carbon reduction efforts Reply with quote

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Carbon reduction efforts in the airline industry will be outweighed by growth in air-traffic, even if the most contentious mitigation measures are implemented, according to new research by the University of Southampton.

Even if proposed mitigation measures are agreed upon and put into place, air traffic growth-rates are likely to out-pace emission reductions, unless demand is substantially reduced.



http://phys.org/news/2014-08-air-traffic-growth-outpace-carbon.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully the cycle of growth, resulting in increased oil use and then increased oil price, resulting in recession, then decreased oil use and price, resulting in growth and so on in an ever decreasing spiral will result in lower air travel not higher as expected by this study. Certainly the spiral of decreasing spare money caused by lowering middle class incomes and higher outgoings, as exhibited by increased rail fares and oil costs, will mean that the middle classes, who would provide the impetus for increased flights, will not have wherewithal to pay for the flights.

For the sake of the long term future of the human race one can only hope! A bit of short term pain will result in the human race remain a part of the world's ecosystem. Further short term growth in wealth of a small proportion of the human race will result in the medium term extinction of that race as the planet warms past any liveable temperature range for humans and their food chain.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm flying One Last Time this year and then I think I shall give it up. It's simply too annoying having random posessions taken off one for "security" reasons. I'm glad they work on keeping people safe so I quite understand most of it, but I'm beginning to suspect that at least some of it is a massive con.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
I'm flying One Last Time this year and then I think I shall give it up.


Oh Lord, make me good, but not just yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying to a week in the sun myself shortly, but flying really is no fun any more - it is more a trial to get through. In May I had to take off my shoes, watch, belt, jacket and all money, etc. And of course have all your toiletries in a plastic bag. My partner forgot something and had to have her whole case rummaged through and the offending article taken out and the case put through the scanner again. Fecking ridiculous to be honest.

You really do feel you are undressing - load of sh1t if you ask me... Evil or Very Mad

rant over

Oh, and then you are made to feel guilty because of the CO2 Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snow hope wrote:
Flying to a week in the sun myself shortly, but flying really is no fun any more


Trust me when I say it's a shitload less fun for the people like me who do not fly because it's pollution from unecessary air travel (yes, but I really really deserve a week in the sun....) that's ******* up this planet.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
I'm flying One Last Time this year and then I think I shall give it up. It's simply too annoying having random posessions taken off one for "security" reasons.


I find simply too annoying that people are ******* up the planet by flying everywhere. Now if you want to pollute your own air with carbon dioxide emissions go ahead but sadly the air is something we all share.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the noise. An aeroplane is, uniquely, capable of disturbing several million people simultaneously. I mean, that's worse than the neighbour's lawnmower.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biff is uniquely capable of disturbing most people on this board simultaneously... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should be fun on a Friday afternoon 2 weeks before Christmas

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11290412/Flights-grounded-at-all-London-airports-in-air-traffic-control-computer-meltdown.html

Just seen a tweet that airspace is partially re-opened.

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Power failure at ATC centre in Hampshire.

That place was purpose built and should have instant failover backup generators.

Makes you wonder if it was not entirely accidental.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange. I have no sympathy.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest reports suggest NOT a power failure but IT problems, as has happened before.
Whilst I feel a bit sorry for those affected, as others post it is air travel that is contributing significantly to climate change.

It could reasonably be argued that air travel disruption, delays, breakdowns, and disruptions are actually a good thing if people are thereby deterred from flying.
All this disruption will be costing a lot of money, which I hope will come from airlines and their customers and not from general taxation.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The government said the scale of the disruption was "unacceptable" and said it had asked for a "full explanation" of what had gone wrong.


Now which was the government that chose to privatise NATS in the Transport Act 2000?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:

Whilst I feel a bit sorry for those affected, as others post it is air travel that is contributing significantly to climate change.


I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for them. People know how polluting air travel is but they do it anyway. I suspect their attitude is f**k the planet. So if they are delayed, well f**k them.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boisdevie wrote:
adam2 wrote:

Whilst I feel a bit sorry for those affected, as others post it is air travel that is contributing significantly to climate change.


I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for them. People know how polluting air travel is but they do it anyway. I suspect their attitude is f**k the planet. So if they are delayed, well f**k them.

+1. I don't give a NATS either. Very Happy
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