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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Potemkin Villager wrote:
There is a close relationship between extreme weather events and our widespread nervousness about running out of fossil fuel combining to create an even more perfect storm.

Crying or Very sad

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/06/hurricane-irma-is-having-an-outsize-impact-at-floridas-gas-stations.html

"It's an expensive time for Floridians to be filling up. Average gas prices across the state were at $2.71 a gallon on Wednesday, up from $2.35 a week ago, according to AAA."



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The poor dears, some would feel sorry for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With an eleven foot storm surge large areas of Southern Florida are going under water but that is mostly National Park. Small areas of Miami will get wet. With 10 feet Miami starts to go under.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest report from Barbuda, the damage is very extensive indeed.

Calls to evacuate most of the population before the next hurricane, and appeals for money to rebuild, the cost of this being beyond the local economy.

I would hope that Western nations are reasonably generous with financial assistance, despite the pressures on public finances.
I really do not want the afflicted area to become a de-facto Chinese or Russian colony because they paid for re building.

Reconstruction in a similar style seems very pointless, all new buildings should in my view be preferably hurricane proof, and at the very least should have a hurricane proof inner refuge to preserve life and essential supplies.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-41199394
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the question should be, are these places liveable in the first place considering they'll just get hit again and again? The costs of keeping people there are going to far outstrip any economic benefit of being there.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my view, these islands are just about habitable, provided that rebuilding is done properly.
Whilst most buildings are destroyed or substantially damaged a minority of structures have survived suggesting that hurricane proof structures are available.
Reinforced concrete has a good record if done competently with proper materials, hollow concrete blocks with extra reinforcement at stress points also has a good record.
Anything bigger than a house needs design by a chartered engineer from a recognised European or USA university.

In between hurricanes, these islands offer an attractive life style envied by many. Observe the number of large and expensive yachts for example.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the TV coverage, many of the houses on Barbuda are intact apart from the roof covering. They seem to have been built with timber sarking over concrete walls. It would just seem that the fixing of the roof covering needs a slight tweak to improve hurricane resistance. The hipped roof design used gives a smooth air flow over the roof from all directions. The addition of hinged shutters to openings might be overkill depending on the frequency of expected future hurricanes.

What might also be needed is the raising of ground floors to get over the hurricane flood surge level plus some sea level rise.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO in the last half hour Irma has been upgraded back to category 5, and the forecast is for a 15ft surge. $100bn worth of damage on the way.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a remarkable article (and video) from Washington Post a few weeks ago, all about a major hurricane strike on Tampa Bay:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/health/environment/tampa-bay-climate-change/?utm_term=.e27104cfe19b
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Here's a remarkable article (and video) from Washington Post a few weeks ago, all about a major hurricane strike on Tampa Bay:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/health/environment/tampa-bay-climate-change/?utm_term=.e27104cfe19b


Don't know if you were aware, but the course has been updated. Hurricane has shifted significantly west, Miama now expected to be spared a direct hit, but Tampa will be hit instead:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/09/strengthening-hurricane-irma-shifts-west-bears-down-on-tampa.html
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, that's what makes the WP article so remarkable.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Indeed, that's what makes the WP article so remarkable.


It is amazing the lengths folk will go to try and deny the bleeding obvious!

"...... Republican Gov. Rick Scott’s administration has reportedly discouraged employees from using the words “climate change” in official communications. Last month, the Republican-controlled state legislature approved bills allowing any citizen to challenge textbooks and instructional materials, including those that teach the science of evolution and global warming."

and

“People who want to live on the waterfront will always live on the waterfront,” Luther said, a reference to the rich. “Every house on my street that sold within the past 10 years, they’ve knocked it down and built a 10,000- or 12,000-square-foot mini-mansion on top of it.”

Carnahan seconded that. On the edge of Tampa Bay, where the danger from a colossal storm is worse, homes in Venetian Isles and flood-prone Shore Acres are still being snatched up.

“I can’t believe what houses here are selling for,” she said.

Folk with more money than sense will always be with us. I have to say I have little sympathy for their woes.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a few minutes on Google Maps to look at this neighbourhood:

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They are 24hrs away from a 10-20ft storm surge. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus wept. Quite apart from the fact that this place is at significant risk of being completely washed out, I cannot imagine a place I would less like to live in. It's toy town for slightly/relatively better off people who think they are "living the dream", but who are just human battery h.e.n.s. It looks horrible.

I'd rather live in a ******* tent.

It brings to mind this:

Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough!
It isn't fit for humans now,
There isn't grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!

Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
Those air -conditioned, bright canteens,
Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,
Tinned minds, tinned breath.

Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.

And get that man with double chin
Who'll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women's tears:

And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.

But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It's not their fault that they are mad,
They've tasted Hell.

It's not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It's not their fault they often go
To Maidenhead

And talk of sport and makes of cars
In various bogus-Tudor bars
And daren't look up and see the stars
But belch instead.

In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.

Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
To get it ready for the plough.
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the gimmick of the stagnant canals on every plot. By the time you reach open water it's time to turn around for home. The yellow fever+malaria will be great when the medical system gives up.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've posted this before and VT has commented on it before but it chimes well with the above illustration.

It never ceases to amaze me that the bridge between the two block below in a hotel in Nassau, Bahamas is one single suite. It is the most expensive suite in the Bahamas and possibly the Americas and it is always full of rich Americans. What mega rich person from any other nation would chose to holiday in a resort hotel with the plebs? There are many, many really beautiful, empty beaches elsewhere in the Bahamas so why would you chose to holiday in a crowded resort hotel?



We spent all day on this beach at the other end of Nassau island and were the only ones on it all day. We had a delicious and very affordable lunch of local caught fish in a little restaurant just behind the beach. It was perfection, our very own tropical paradise! And all for a fraction of the cost of the grand hotel.


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