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Shock poll shows voters believe Ukip is left of Tories
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:41 pm    Post subject: Shock poll shows voters believe Ukip is left of Tories Reply with quote

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poll-shows-voters-believe-ukip-is-to-the-left-of-the-tories-9923416.html

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Voters see Ukip as more left wing than the Conservative Party in a shock poll finding that will fuel concerns among Ed Miliband's allies that Nigel Farage is "parking his tanks on Labour's lawn".

A poll for The Independent on Sunday exposes what Labour strategists have been fearing for months that voters do not regard Ukip as a party of the far right, but as one closer to the centre ground than the Tories. As such it could win Labour votes in the North. It suggests that attempts by Labour to portray Mr Farage's party as "more Thatcherite than Thatcher" have fallen flat.

The findings by ComRes will also be unsettling for the Conservatives, who must seize support from the centre-ground to win a majority at the next general election.

Rolling Eyes Jesus, the apathetic sheeple of this country really are dumb and so richly deserve the sh1t storm that's coming their way.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know how we all keep wondering how the National Socialist German Workers' Party managed to gain power by appealing to the working class of Germany?

I think we have our answer.

While I shudder at the thought of what a UKIP/Tory coalition would do to the country, I wonder if that will be what it takes to wake the population up.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason that UKIP are getting away with with their false narrative of defending the working man, however, is because of Labour's total abandonment of even a semblance of defending the the real interests of the working class of this country and of an economic and political elite who have equally ensured that no proper alternative has gotten unbiased airtime.

People are voting for UKIP primarily out of desperation and only partially out of political ignorance. However, even that ignorance itself, is the product of the virtual cultural erasure of a socialist political vocabulary in this country.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this false dichotomy of "left" vs. "right" is a dangerous distraction. For example, a traditional labour voter could be persuaded to vote UKIP if it is "seen" as left-wing, without a critical analysis of the party's policies (which, it is becoming clear, have not been properly formulated). Same goes for any voter and any party. The world has become too complicated for a simple distinction in politics of "left" vs. "right", IMO.
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Tarrel wrote:
I think this false dichotomy of "left" vs. "right" is a dangerous distraction. For example, a traditional labour voter could be persuaded to vote UKIP if it is "seen" as left-wing, without a critical analysis of the party's policies (which, it is becoming clear, have not been properly formulated). Same goes for any voter and any party. The world has become too complicated for a simple distinction in politics of "left" vs. "right", IMO.


Precisely, which is why looking at policies and politics via something like the political compass website is important (know thine enemy etc). In particular, it stands out how Stalin is far more left-wing than Gandhi, Thatcher more extremely right-wing than Hitler. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Joe Bloggs really think that hard about his vote ? I know I sound incredibly pretentious as I write this, but I'm serious, does the average voter really think much about his vote ? A quick chat about politics around the table at lunch break reveals that most people don't really give a stuff about the details and will vote for headline-populist candidates.

I'm moving in the same direction myself, I don't really know who to vote for any more, I'm more concerned with surviving and no party seems to offer a better chance than any other.

Admittedly ( as I have admitted before ) I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but I'm finding it hard to see a party that will help me.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not wrong Cat. If you are not in the 1%, none of them will help you. I know that sounds simplistic. But, it's that simple when push comes to shove.

And push is coming to shove.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Green Party will at least try and help you. Which puts us one-up on anyone else (at least, in England) at the moment.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, I should qualify the above by stating that those that can, won't and those that would, can't.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
The Green Party will at least try and help you. Which puts us one-up on anyone else (at least, in England) at the moment.
And polling above LibDems these days, despite having, to a first approximation, no funding.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the Green Party is truly a grassroots organisation and totally relies on the goodwill and hard work of its activists and members.

The other day we had a very young ex Tory join our local party- they realised that the Tories have no interest in the lives of ordinary people; meanwhile most of the other 200+ people who have joined in the last few months (59 in November alone) are ex Lib Dems and disaffected Labourites.

I think the elections are going to be very interesting indeed.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
Does Joe Bloggs really think that hard about his vote ? I know I sound incredibly pretentious as I write this, but I'm serious, does the average voter really think much about his vote ? A quick chat about politics around the table at lunch break reveals that most people don't really give a stuff about the details and will vote for headline-populist candidates.

I'm moving in the same direction myself, I don't really know who to vote for any more, I'm more concerned with surviving and no party seems to offer a better chance than any other.

Admittedly ( as I have admitted before ) I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but I'm finding it hard to see a party that will help me.


My experience is quite the opposite. A worrying number of people I've talked to are voting UKIP. Even SleeperDad a life long Socialist has had enough. Dangerous times ahead.....
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
The reason that UKIP are getting away with with their false narrative of defending the working man, however, is because of Labour's total abandonment of even a semblance of defending the the real interests of the working class of this country and of an economic and political elite who have equally ensured that no proper alternative has gotten unbiased airtime.

People are voting for UKIP primarily out of desperation and only partially out of political ignorance. However, even that ignorance itself, is the product of the virtual cultural erasure of a socialist political vocabulary in this country.


Yep.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nexus wrote:

I think the elections are going to be very interesting indeed.


Yep.
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