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Merits of reintroduction of locally extinct wildlife
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hearing a pack of wolves howl in the wild would be pretty special.
It is indeed especially if you know the wolf is howling at you specifically with revenge in his heart. Makes the hair on the back of your head stand up and chills your bones.
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Wolves don't kill people, apparently, so there's no reason to fear them according to the documentary that I watched. Can't remember which one though.

If we ate less meat and gardened more of the land we would need much less of it and some could be left to go wild again. That would be good in the south so that there would be space for a few lynx to keep the bloody badgers down.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wolves don't kill people, apparently, so there's no reason to fear them according to the documentary that I watched. Can't remember which one though.

If we ate less meat and gardened more of the land we would need much less of it and some could be left to go wild again. That would be good in the south so that there would be space for a few lynx to keep the bloody badgers down.

That would depend on how hungry the wolves are and how well armed you are. There are documented cases of wolves killing people in colonial America including early Vermont. You certainly don't want any wolves where children play outside or anywhere around any sheep grazing.
Is the European brown bear similar in size and temperament to the American Black bear or more like the Grizzly?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

English sarcasm
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There are definitely too many hunters in the Cairngorms. They carry shotguns and aim them at grouse. They are an alien species that should be removed.

Beavers can live quite happily in close proximity with people.
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..............They carry shotguns and aim them at grouse. They are an alien species that should be removed.


Hunters or grouse? Or both? Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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........ There are documented cases of wolves killing people in colonial America including early Vermont. ........


There are documented cases of wolves killing people in Europe in the Middle Ages too. I know that wolves have been much more scarce since those long ago times but it's funny how it was all so long ago and wolves seem since then to have seen the error of their ways.

It seems to me to be a convenient excuse for one top carnivore to eradicate another top carnivore.
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The couple who live with wolves

43 minute video.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The couple who live with wolves

43 minute video.

There was one like that a while back where the guy was spending his time with grizzly bears. They ate him after a while.
1775 in Vermont was hardly the middle ages. Her name was Caroline Mason. She was walking with other young women home from a quilting Bee when they were pursued by the wolf pack. The women ran to and climbed up into trees out of reach of the wolves. The branch Caroline was standing on broke and she fell to the ground where the wolves tore her to pieces.

You might get along fine with a few lynx. They eat mostly rabbits and squirrels have large ranges and are indeed shy of humans. I doubt they would ever take on and kill a badger though. Sorry Ken. Sad
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There was one like that a while back where the guy was spending his time with grizzly bears. They ate him after a while.


So? Rattlesnakes are a bigger killer than bears. Or wolves.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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vtsnowedin wrote:
There was one like that a while back where the guy was spending his time with grizzly bears. They ate him after a while.


So? Rattlesnakes are a bigger killer than bears. Or wolves.

Yes certainly. 8000 bites a year in the US and about one death per month. The pit vipers (Several species) range extends to all the lower 48 states so they are much more widespread then wolves and grizzle bears. I know of only one black bear death and that was a child pulled up out of a stroller.
My cousin was bitten by a large Florida rattlesnake and even though he recovered, his health was never good after that, and he died of a massive heart attack at age forty five.
Still if you want danger drive a car without seat belt or airbags while smoking a camel. Rolling Eyes
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vtsnowedin wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
There was one like that a while back where the guy was spending his time with grizzly bears. They ate him after a while.


So? Rattlesnakes are a bigger killer than bears. Or wolves.

Yes certainly. 8000 bites a year in the US and about one death per month. The pit vipers (Several species) range extends to all the lower 48 states so they are much more widespread then wolves and grizzle bears. I know of only one black bear death and that was a child pulled up out of a stroller.
My cousin was bitten by a large Florida rattlesnake and even though he recovered, his health was never good after that, and he died of a massive heart attack at age forty five.
Still if you want danger drive a car without seat belt or airbags while smoking a camel. Rolling Eyes


Yeah, you'd have trouble seeing past the humps.
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The branch Caroline was standing on broke and she fell to the ground where the wolves tore her to pieces.


Don't you just hate it when that happens?! A new definition of "having a bad day".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, you'd have trouble seeing past the humps.

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The branch Caroline was standing on broke and she fell to the ground where the wolves tore her to pieces.


Don't you just hate it when that happens?! A new definition of "having a bad day".

No that would be as old as Neanderthals.
A new definition would be butt dialing your boss while having sex with his wife or daughter.
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