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Lord Beria3



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David Cameron will go down as a good, but not great, PM in my opinion.

His greatest achievement was by accident leading Britain out of the EU. It will save Great Britain in the coming decades.

Regarding the appointment of Boris, a very good move by May. As the Spectator notes...

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/cabinet-reshuffle/



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Giving Boris Johnson the role of Foreign Secretary is probably the smartest single move that Theresa May will make in tonight’s reshuffle. It could well turn out to be one of the most important jobs in the Brexit era – a job of selling Britain to the world. A job that means explaining what George Osborne could not: that the Brexit vote was the act of a self-confident nation keen to make to friends and strike new alliances. That Brexit was not the sign of a Little England but of a country that has had enough of a Little Europe and wanted to lift its sights to more distant horizons. My biggest single concern of the May era is that Brexit might be interpreted by its opponents who saw it as vaguely xenophobic, or the sign of a nation looking in on itself. May’s holding line – 'Brexit means Brexit' – suggests even she hadn’t worked out how to describe Brexit. But Boris, as Foreign Secretary, will be the person who explains Britain to the world: a job that has been revitalised by act of Brexit.

His first task will be root-and-branch reform of the Foreign Office itself: too many diplomats saw Brexit as a disaster, and could not bring themselves to convey the message that this was the greatest-ever vote of confidence in the project of the United Kingdom; that Britain was too globally-minded to fit in the constraints of an EU that seemed to regard its mission as erecting a wall around Europe. Brexit should mean a revitalised Foreign Office, suddenly rediscovering the trade negotiating skills that it lost in the 1970s. What the Foreign Office needs more than anything else is an injection of optimism. And I can’t think of anyone better placed to deliver that injection than Boris Johnson.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
Boris is Foreign Secretary
Shocked


In that case May's not really got a grip. Boris is a buffoon, he may be clever, but he's also an arse. The FO won't "suddenly discover the trade negotiating skills", they will have to get the right people who will have to work hard at it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:
Boris is Foreign Secretary
Shocked


In that case May's not really got a grip. Boris is a buffoon, he may be clever, but he's also an arse. The FO won't "suddenly discover the trade negotiating skills", they will have to get the right people who will have to work hard at it.

It seems FO isn't getting anything to do with trade, Liam Fox gets a new department for trade. And if foreign affairs get tricky then No10 takes over.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Gove and Nicky Morgan both sacked from the government.

Horrible little weasels, the pair of them. Nasty, small-minded, arrogant, talentless shites. Good riddance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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His first task will be root-and-branch reform of the Foreign Office itself

Unless that can be done in half an hour tops, then Boris really isn't your man,


Peter.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I feared,

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/decc-abolition-major-setback-for-uk-climate-change-efforts

The BAU burn it all expand the economy or die brigade are back in control, more than ever
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much for a safe pair of hands Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David Cameron stands down, triggers by-election.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to resurrect this thread, maybe?

Just watched BBC review of tomorrow's tory papers. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08vps7y)

The Sunday Telegraph is reporting that Theresa May is to be given ten days to sort out her act, or face a leadership challenge. She has also been told, by the chairman of the 1922 committee, that she will be challenged if she backslides on a hard brexit. Meanwhile she's also being pulled in the other direction by remain supporters in her own party demanding she waters down brexit by staying in the customs union.

There is now a very real possibility of the oldest political party on the planet splitting in two, and being out of power for a generation.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/17/battle-of-brexit-conservative-party-theresa-may-eu

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For months, Tory Remainers had licked their wounds and resigned themselves to defeat, as May drove “hard Brexit” forward. It genuinely looked like the internal Tory war over Europe could be over. Now the tables have turned, the Remainers are roaring back, and the arguments are more visceral than ever. When they returned to the House of Commons last week, Remainer spirits, as typified by Anna Soubry, were revived. One minister sacked by May last summer, and who is close to David Cameron and George Osborne, said the internal battle that was about to break out between pro-and anti-EU factions could well be terminal for the Conservative party. “We will split. We hate each other,” he said. “We will do whatever we need to do to kill hard Brexit. She does not have a mandate for it.” Another Europhile former minister said the only way forward now was to drop the “utter madness” of Brexit altogether. Writing on Observer.co.uk today, Tory MP Dominic Grieve, a prominent Remainer, says dropping out of the single market altogether and leaving EU security arrangements would do untold damage: “Access to a single market with our European neighbours for our goods and services is and will continue to be the most important foundation for our future prosperity.”
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The rhetorical counterblast was equally strong from the Eurosceptic trenches. A convinced hard Brexiter and leading light in the 1922 committee of backbenchers said any backing away from hard Brexit would lead to civil war: “If we drop Brexit or backslide at all, there will be a revolution,” he said, meaning one in both the party and the country.


This is surely The Last Battle in the tory civil war over Europe. If either side backs down, they've lost forever, and both sides believe they are defending the will of the British people in a matter of the utmost importance for the future. They need to have a leadership election, which will amount to a vote of the entire tory membership to decide whether their leader will be a remainer or a leaver. My gut instinct is that the euroskeptics will win that battle, leaving the pro-European tories leaderless but believing they have a majority in the house of commons to prevent brexit. If the tories are going to split, that seems like the obvious moment for it to happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem is, I fear Labour are in the same boat. (though at least no-one there seems to want a hard brexit)

We now have 4-way, 2-dimensional politics and we really need, in theory, 4 parties. L-R, and for each of those, In-Out.

Which will only work if we have PR in Parly...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this is exactly the problem RC and I agree that the only way to resolve it is via PR. Or, at least, the only way to resolve it in democratic terms is PR. Whether that actually resolves the actual problems facing us and the rest of humanity is a different question.

But, if we fail, at least we will have done so in a democratically accountable way.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now then: IS IT TRUE that we can't re-nationalise, e.g., Royal Mail if we remain within the EU? (on account of 'competition' & 'open-market'-type laws)?

And if we can't, then why do the French get away with a pretty-well-nationalised power grid??
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rules on State aid are normally parts of trade agreements including the WTO. Whether they prevent the state nationalising Royal Mail is another issue. Whether we should is an additional further question.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/09/theresa-may-asks-jeremy-corbyn-help-deliver-brexit-support-policies/

Desperate stuff. Why the hell should Corbyn help her?

This bit is particularly interesting though:

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There were also reports that a “kamikaze” group of right-wing Tory MPs are ready to risk handing power to Labour because “a brief dose of a Corbyn Government” would end in disaster and provide a long-term boost to the Tories.


It would not have to be a very big group. And it makes some sort of strategic sense if you are a tory MP who genuinely believes what the tories say about Corbyn. Why not replace May, call an election in full expectation that the tories are going to go into opposition, and hand the problem of Brexit to Corbyn to deal with, either with a minority Labour government or a very small Labour majority. Should give the tories a brief time to re-organise themselves in opposition, while Corbyn has to deal with the realities of brexit.

At that point, either the Corbyn bubble will burst on contact with real power, or he'll surprise "everybody" again and find a way to make it work.
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