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clv101
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:11 pm    Post subject: French Regional Elections Reply with quote

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French far right 'routed' in key vote
France's far-right Front National is beaten into third place in regional elections, exit polls indicate


Early results...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like they have haven't won a single region.
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France's Far-Right Nationalist Party Swings From First To Worst; "Routed' In Regional Election Run-Off

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-13/frances-far-right-nationalist-party-swings-first-worst-routed-regional-election-run
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is that many people will vote against the fascists. FN are somewhere between the BNP and UKIP.

Hence they actually need a majority. I think they did get 42.5% in one region. Hence it is not in terms of support on the ground a "rout" although they lost.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnhemming2 wrote:
somewhere between the BNP and UKIP.

There's a difference?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:
johnhemming2 wrote:
somewhere between the BNP and UKIP.

There's a difference?

Politics has a number of details that it is worth understanding. The BNP are/were a racist party. UKIP are a party with some racists, but
a) UKIP are not inherently racist. They allow non-white candidates and even had a Muslim MEP.
b) They do not tolerate people who publicly encourage racial hatred.

That does not mean that Nigel Farage does not play the race card, but they are not actually the BNP in Blazers.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many angels did you say can dance on a pin?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:
johnhemming2 wrote:
somewhere between the BNP and UKIP.

There's a difference?
Yes because, despite their obvious similarities on immigration matters, the BNP is a party of big-state, anti-capitalist tribalism and UKIP is a party of small state, pro-capitalist individualism.

Whilst some of their various supporters may well have limited allegiances to both parties based upon the limited similarity of their immigration policies and EU stance, the philosophical place that these parties are coming from is quite different. Indeed, I would say, of the two, the BNP is the most philosophically consistent, however revolted one may be by many of their their policies. UKIP, on the other hand, is neither fish nor fowl given it's pro-global-capitalist stance and simultaneous professed dislike of cheap, imported labour.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:
How many angels did you say can dance on a pin?


You should try reading more, and understanding more.

You asked a question. You were given an educated, informed answer. You ignored it, and made an inappropriate, facetious comment, and will no doubt continue to remain ignorant of the answer to the question you asked.
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