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ReserveGrowthRulz



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
US population as of 2019

329,346,237 in total

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/

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US mental illness rate:

18.9% of all U.S. adults. Which is more than the 1/6 of adults I had found in my initial research. So, we can be reasonably sure that it is at least 1/6 of all adults. However, I'm happy to still go with my more conservative figure of 1/6 of all adults.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness.shtml#part_154785



Definition of the mental illness for the numbers you use.

"Any mental illness (AMI) is defined as a mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder. AMI can vary in impact, ranging from no impairment to mild, moderate, and even severe impairment (e.g., individuals with serious mental illness as defined below)."

So, first LJ uses numbers that include behavioral issues and emotional issues. If, as a peak oiler, you ever became scared or prepped for the doom so many prayed for, you would qualify as well!

Little John wrote:

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Number of Americans who have access to a gun

36.3% of people. Which is more than my initial figure of 1/4 of the population. But, that is because I was only basing it on statistics of direct ownership. In terms of access, the number is more than a third. However, I am happy to go with my initial, more conservative figure of 1/4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership#United_States_gun_ownership


So what is access to a gun? Did you notice that it has no reference? Would you like me to change the number in wiki to demonstrate the validity of a number with no reference? Can you even discuss what access MIGHT mean? Smile


Little John wrote:

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I'll leave you to work out the rest of the arithmetic....


How about we work on the plagiarism first? You see, Dmitry Orlov, one of those peak oiler types who ran along to faked moon landing conspiracies and whatnot after his peak oil understanding was exposed as ignorance the same as ASPO and The Oil Drum and whatnot, posted exactly your calculations 8 hours ago on Facebook.

Dmitry Orlov wrote:
In the US, 1/4 of the people own guns and 1/6 of the people are mentally ill. Based on that, we can estimate that roughly 1/4*1/6=1/24 of the US population, or roughly 13,721,926 people, aren't mentally fit enough to own a gun and need to have their guns confiscated and roughly 41,165,779 need to be prevented from acquiring them.


Do you know what the odds are of you and him both rounding to the nearest person identically, without one of you plagiarizing from the other? So which of you is the nutter who doesn't have the ability to think for themselves? Smile

Come on Little John, you aren't playing this game with just anyone. I'm the guy who knew years before you did that your peak oil conspiracy game was a crock, you think that happens because I'm stupid and plagiarize from others, or because I do the work to run the facts to ground so I can't be bullshitted by an amateur like you?
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Little John



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took it from Orlov's social media post. So what?

Meanwhile, you can't contest the numbers, other than with your usual obfuscatory bollocks.... can you....
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well crazy or not just under 100 Americans have become mass shooters in the last twenty years or one out of every 3.3 million Americans. How would you sort those needles from that haystack? As to the 400 million firearms if you assume each mass shooter brings an average of two to his shooting (It is hard to shoot more then one at a time except in the movies) you have just one gun out of two million ending up at a mass shooting.
Whatever they decide to do it will not solve the problem, just force the potential shooters to switch to IEDs or arson or running down people with autos.
Consider that in the US 34,436 people died in car crashes last year a rate of 102 each day. We could save more lives by making cell phones inoperable while in a moving car then if we melt down every gun in America.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very simple and straightforward measure that could be implemented is where anyone who has been diagnosed with a specific sub-set of mental illness that are correlated with delusional/violent behavior are given a lifetime ban on owning firearms. This would still leave the majority of people who have suffered with a mental illness free to continue to own firearms.

Sure, some people may slip through the net. But, this is about probabilities. It is not about cast iron yes and no answers. That's just public policy for you. It's messy and imperfect. Such a policy, as described above, however, would significantly reduce the probability of such crimes occurring whilst still leaving the vast majority of law abiding, mentally stable Americans free to continue to own firearms

But, to use an argument that because cast iron yes and no answers are impossible to get, there is no point in even trying to reduce the incidence of these massacres, is bollocks.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
I took it from Orlov's social media post. So what?



Sources matter.

You wouldn't know why of course, as you prove right..about..here.....
Little John wrote:


Meanwhile, you can't contest the numbers, other than with your usual obfuscatory bollocks.... can you....


Of course I did. You, as a bullshitter plagiarizing the work of conspiracy nutters, don't even understand how.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Well crazy or not just under 100 Americans have become mass shooters in the last twenty years or one out of every 3.3 million Americans.


What do facts have to do with the conditioning installed on Mr. Little "But a Big Bullshitter" John by Brussels?

vtsnowedin wrote:

How would you sort those needles from that haystack? As to the 400 million firearms if you assume each mass shooter brings an average of two to his shooting (It is hard to shoot more then one at a time except in the movies) you have just one gun out of two million ending up at a mass shooting.


DENIER!!! (thought I would inoculate you against the next tactic in the limited repertoire of Mr Little "How dare you use facts against me!" Little.

vtsnowedin wrote:

Consider that in the US 34,436 people died in car crashes last year a rate of 102 each day. We could save more lives by making cell phones inoperable while in a moving car then if we melt down every gun in America.


Obviously cars need banned and replaced with scooters. Inside a donut of pre-inflated airbag to save Americans from the consequences of..you know...anything.

The folks governed by Brussels have their conditioning, and you can't put a dent in that with facts, the requirement of thought and study before discussing the topic, or any of the things that you might try against Americans.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RGR, you have your facts wrong. British gun laws are set by the British government not Brussels. I got better things to do than argue with people obsessed with owning guns for their "protection" or is it not for their own protection.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a pathetic little troll Ken. That much is obvious.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
RGR, you have your facts wrong. British gun laws are set by the British government not Brussels.


I haven't said a single word about Brussels being in charge of British gun laws KL. I do try and write what I mean, so do try and read what I write and use that against me, rather than making stuff up.

kenneal-lagger wrote:

I got better things to do than argue with people obsessed with owning guns for their "protection" or is it not for their own protection.


And I've got better things to do then point out to a grown man the differences between societal conditioning flowing forth from (at least) the European capital and British gun laws.

As far as your new claim of obsession over protection, that is just you rewording the "everyone is cowering in fear!!!" hogwash. We've already dismissed that one KL, using examples from real people who have, you know, actual experience living here and stuff!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
He's a pathetic little troll Ken. That much is obvious.


"What's wrong with plagiarism?" says the bullshitter. Your betters aren't trolls LJ, and don't aim names at us just because you are embarrassed at not even having the honesty to admit that not only did you get caught, but you didn't even know the quality of them or the definitions of what they meant and we did. Let alone VT making you look like a fool with those things you avoid, called facts.

Perhaps it goes deeper than that, and you didn't even know that Dmitri was a faked moon landing nutter? You two meet up at the 9/11 nutter convention at some point in time and he forgot to tell you that?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You proper lose it when cornered with facts don't you RGR.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
You proper lose it when cornered with facts don't you RGR.... Laughing


That's what you and like minded compatriots said about my comments on peak oil, Little John. Smile

Now run along and find other people's ideas to steal. You with Dmitri on the faked moon landings, or is that too ignorant for even you?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RGR, you were indeed correct with your predictions that unconventional oil extraction would increase hugely. It now makes up a large proportion of global production.


I'd welcome your predictions on the longevity of this unconventional oil.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the original topic which is "what guns to buy"
The 10/22 Ruger take down I purchased has proven to be a bit of a chore to get sighed in properly. Problem being that the scope is mounted on the receiver and the barrel and forearm lock into it with less then a rock solid connection.
This lets you hold the weapon one way and hit one point of aim and then change the way you are holding it and the pressures applied and hit another point entirely.
I'm still working it out and think I can get the rifle scope combination to function properly in the field but have not yet achieved acceptable groups in spite of burning through about 200 rounds of ammo.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone I used to know a while back manufactured an air rifle with two opposing cylinders and an underlever loading action. The opposing cylinders cancelled out any shake on firing and the underlever action ensured the sight was always the same so it was an exceptionally accurate weapon. I've never seen one since and was disappointed with myself for not buying one at the time. It also had interchangeable barrels for 177 and 22. It was expensive though.
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