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Little John



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile, it is becoming ever clearer that the state is unable or unwilling to stop these kind of armed attacks, whilst simultaneously stopping the rest of the population from arming themselves to be able to plausibly defend themselves against such attacks.

Do you think that will work?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A possible working solution might be if the government accepted their responcibility and funded the police sufficiently, though that won’t be a quick fix. It’s much easier to get rid of experienced ones than it is to get new ones. As far as I can see, there is not another solution that won’t result in more dead people. There will be accidental discharges, people hit by stray bullets, or “sorry, I thought he looked like a terrorist”. Though that’s more likely to be from a policeman.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bottom line is this; there is an informal, unspoken deal between state and citizen where the citizen gives up a raft of personal freedoms - including the freedom to use any and all force necessary to defend themselves and their property - and the state reciprocates by taking on that responsibility, barring allowing very minimum force to be used as a self defense by citizens.

If the state is failing to keep up its end of that bargain, at some point the people will stop keeping up their end. That's just inevitable.

A specific example being my home town. There are, within a 20 mile radius of my town, about 12 individuals, who are well known locally, as being responsible for about 99% of any robbing or other significant shite that goes on round these parts. The police know who they are as well, but do not have the manpower to keep tabs on them. So, a group of locals have set up a group who now take care of this kind of business in in a very local and very informal way in and around our town. Since the formation of that group, antisocial behavior and petty theft are on the decrease, At least for the moment. Time will tell if this improvement continues.

A working solution coming to a town near you.

If you are lucky.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the US far more people are killed by the use of readily available guns than are killed by terrorists. There is no reason to suspect that it would be any different in the UK.

If our inner city youth had easier access to guns they would be going round shooting each other to a far greater extent than they do now knifing each other. The collateral damage possible from wielding a gun in untrained hands is far greater than from wielding a knife in any hands.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what a dry delivery of an astonishing oxymoron on BBC Radio 4 news this morning: that Jair Bolsanaro is going to get tough on crime and is going to make it easier for people to acquire firearms.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In an ideal world, there is no injustice and no violent crime or theft.

In a less ideal world the is some violent crime and theft, but a democratically representative state policies and prosecutes the perpetrators

In the world that is fast approaching, there is inevitably going to be a growth of violent crime and theft and a state that is no longer able or willing to police or prosecute the perpetrators.

Under such circumstances, it is quite simply politically unsustainable for the state to continue to impose an expectation that the people will not seek to protect themselves. It doesn't matter what the other negative consequences are of people generally being more armed than they currently are. Most people will see those other consequences as being a price worth paying for their personal security.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This attack in Nairobi, Kenya is believed to be the work of Islamic militants.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46880375

Latest reports state that the authorities have now regained control, after some prolonged gun battles.
At least 14 dead.
Attackers believed to be dead.

later news reportshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46888682
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In France, Islamic terrorists have carried out an attack INSIDE a prison, which event is a cause of considerable concern.

Two prison officers received serious knife wounds. It is suspected that the partner of one prisoner took a knife to them during a visit. The visiting partner was not searched as this "requires consent"

Concerns have been raised as to why terrorists were in an ordinary prison and not a higher security facility.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47467829
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The attacks in NZ - we've seen those at the unhinged end of Islam killing people. Does the NZ attack mark the start of those at the unhinged end of non-Islam killing people in return?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, obviously.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived and worked for a while in NZ and would not have thought this would happen. Having said that there was a deep and widespread dislike of foreigners (even at times against myself as a white British person) in parts of the country outside of Auckland. During the aftermath of the 2005 London Tube attacks (in which a NZer was killed) there was a deep revulsion against Muslims.

I personally think this attack was unwise and will invite attacks by Muslims against New Zealanders overseas. From memory I think the country has some of the most liberal gun laws outside of the US with even automatic assault rifles being legal to own assuming you can get a license for one. I suspect that getting a firearms license in NZ will get a lot harder from tomorrow. I would suspect that this is why the attacker, who I read is actually an Australian carried it out in NZ because he could get a gun easily and quite legally.

I don't agree that the attacks by Muslims against non-Muslims are carried out by an unhinged minority. From the outset of the founding of that religion there have been religiously sanctioned attacks against non-Muslims in order to spread the faith, I believe that they are called 'razzia' or something similar. The Byzantine Empire was subject to annual such attacks for many years by the Caliphate. In other words, such attacks are a central part of the faith and may be carried out by adherents when the opportunity arises.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the self-identified suspect is the primary offender, then he is Australian, not Kiwi, and is previously unknown backwoods fascist nutter. His stated aim was to promote violence on both sides, to start a racial war.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are several people who have been arrested, the shooter being Australian. It is unclear who the rest are, but it is intimated they are new Zealanders
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bangladesh cricket team narrowly avoided getting caught up in the terror attack: Link

The Test Match due to take place in Christchurch has been cancelled

It is possible the rest of the tour will be scrubbed as well
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only a guess, but if gun ownership is so widespread in NZ, they may have been armed and in the area and decided to see if they could help stop the attack. One (armed) woman has already been released by the police (possible undercover officer?)

May be completely wrong.
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