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jonny2mad
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A good film that shows a bit about a fictional dieoff set in ireland,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUKfWZJkfgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH66dngiW0Y
I unlike biff believe that we are heading for a collapse, not transition towns and people on bicycles, but at some point fast collapse and massive die-off .
The survivalist makes some mistakes like not making his own weapons and just generally the way he lives is barmy but it has some good points
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: the survivalist irish film |
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| jonny2mad wrote: | I unlike biff believe that we are heading for a collapse, not transition towns and people on bicycles, but at some point fast collapse and massive die-off .
The survivalist makes some mistakes like not making his own weapons and just generally the way he lives is barmy but it has some good points |
I thought Biff's been pretty clear that he does believe we're heading for collapse?
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Well his idea of collapse certainly is not mine
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Nor mine!
Why was he running around with his gun broken when he did have any cartridges it? I would have thought it would be safe enough to rely on the safety catch only with no cartridges!!
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Norniron seems an appropriate individualist cultural setting for this low budget zero sum game of throne. I can only assume it is intended as an ironic take on just how poor a survival strategy survivalism is.
The insanely over foleyed sound track is so painful to listen to I think I will pass on this post apocalypse porn.
Others no doubt will find it perfect wet dream material. |
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jonny2mad
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I actually liked the sound track, if you live on your own for a while your sense of sound increases especially if any sound could warn of a attack . I think trying to survive alone in somewhere like ireland would be very hard unless you lived mainly underground .
But it would also be very hard near impossible to live in small communitys or any community that tried to have the same social standards we have today .
Basically because anything you grew would be stolen, and you would be swamped by more mouths than you could feed.
Thats why the community at the end have strong in group outgroup barriers and are very well armed and alert .
What happens to your transition town when swamped by starving desperate people it collapses .
The uk survives because it has cheap fuel and imports food you have a system keeping citys and the sort of people in most of the country alive when that goes, I think something like this film is looking at the sunny cheerful side
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| kenneal - lagger wrote: | Nor mine!
Why was he running around with his gun broken when he did have any cartridges it? I would have thought it would be safe enough to rely on the safety catch only with no cartridges!! |
I can't understand why he doesnt make weapons, thats the same problem I have with the road .
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| jonny2mad wrote: | | kenneal - lagger wrote: | Nor mine!
Why was he running around with his gun broken when he did have any cartridges it? I would have thought it would be safe enough to rely on the safety catch only with no cartridges!! |
I can't understand why he doesnt make weapons, thats the same problem I have with the road . |
That wasn't his problem. His problem was thinking he could survive on his own, by hiding. That has never been a winning strategy for humans. Doesn't matter how many weapons you have got if there's 8 of them and only one of you.
This the biggest problem I have with the position you defend, in a practical/realist sense. You come to this board expecting a political/moral conflict with people, but in purely practical/realist terms, your "just me" or "just me and my immediate family" approach would probably mean that in a situation like the one portrayed in this film, you wouldn't last much longer than Biff Vernon, even if you were armed to the teeth. The only survival strategy that has worked for humans since the start of the neolithic era (the start of fixed settlements and systematic domestication of plants) has been to form village-sized (minimum) groups and take posession of a chunk of land whose borders that group can defend. The archaeological evidence suggests that this was the story right from the start - not just the start of civilisation, but the start of humans living in one place (or perhaps two, with a twice yearly migration up and down mountains), 12,000 years ago. I don't believe it is possible to combine farming behaviour (as opposed to purely foraging way of life with very low population density) and solitary survivalism. Collectivism is the only way, partly because of the way humans need to specialise, and partly because there is safety in numbers.
His farm-in-the-woods strategy would also not have worked in real life. Those seedlings wouldn't have lasted two nights, even without hostile human interference. They would have been eaten by wildlife unless they were fenced off very securely. Living in the woods like that he would actually have been better off with a much better hidden shelter, surviving on game and foraged food, with clever preservation of the autumn glut to get him through the winter. Agriculture would be minimalist.
Also, no point in hoarding old cigarettes from pre-collapse, because tobacco is very easy to grow. |
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Little John
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Yes, indeed it is, as I have grown it a few times.....and very nice it was too....  |
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That's a common sense post, UE. "Survival of the fittest" applies to groups of animals (including humans) but doesn't really work for individuals.
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| emordnilap wrote: | | "Survival of the fittest" applies to groups of animals (including humans) but doesn't really work for individuals. |
Well, it does if you are a male elephant, or a polar bear. But not humans. |
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But if you're on your own only your own generation will survive. Animals, including human ones, usually wish for their genetic line to survive so solitary survival doesn't cut it.
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