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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Fire watch Reply with quote

80000 people evacuated from Fort McMurray, Alberta.
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The wildfire is the latest in a lengthening lineage of early wildfires in the northern reaches of the globe that are indicative of a changing climate. As the planet continues to warm, these types of fires will likely only become more common and intense as spring snowpack disappears and temperatures warm.


http://www.climatecentral.org/news/climate-context-fort-mcmurray-wildfire-20311
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this town surrounded by wild fires is the centre of the oil sands industry. Do you think the two are connected?
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You took the words out of my mouth, BDU. The tar will be much easier to get out for a while now that it's been warmed! I see it as a judgement from heaven/hell for those people extracting all that shite from the bowels of the earth!
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see no DIRECT connection between the tar sands extraction and the severe fire.
An indirect effect whereby climate change renders high temperatures and high winds more likely seems probable.
Another indirect effect could be that the shale oil boom has made the town larger and more prosperous (at least in the short term) and therefore the fire has had more serious consequences. The destruction by fire of almost 2,000 structures including some large, new and expensive buildings (as has happened)is clearly more serious and more newsworthy than a few derelict homes on the edges of a small and rundown town (as might have been the case before the boom)

It seems to me that fire precautions were rather lacking. Whilst it is near impossible to extinguish a large forest fire, in a developed country it SHOULD be possible to prevent fire destroying large areas of a town.

Basic measures include requiring all new construction to be of largely non combustible materials.
Requiring that re-roofing of existing structures use only non combustible materials.
Requiring the removal of rubbish and dead vegetation from near structures.

The fire department seemed to lack sufficient manpower, enough pumping appliances, and enough water.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving through dystopia. A remarkable film!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC2iPvXAggM
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
I see no DIRECT connection between the tar sands extraction and the severe fire.


When I first saw this on TV I thought is was in California. You are of course correct that they are only indirectly connected. I do think though that a litre of petrol produced from oil sands due to high energy costs of extraction (natural gas etc) low EROEI than one litre from conventional oil reservoirs so has a greater effect on global warming if you believe in AGW.

Bushfires are quite common in Australia and are more common still when there has been excess heat for a period of time, low humidity and high winds. Excess fuel load is also cited because there has not been a fire for some time and fuel has accumulated. Supposedly the aboriginals regularly burnt the bushland to clear areas for hunting and to drive out game and this made bushfires almost unknown in the early colonial period. Dr Tim Flannery asserts in one of his books that constant fires rendered extinct certain types of plants that did not burn well in favour of those that did. I am not sure I quite follow his logic but it is possible.

Maybe you could argue that there were no firebreaks constructed in this inhabited region. Maybe there are also cases where the houses were too close to the trees. There are a lot of cases in Australia where houses have been burnt down due to being too close to bush land. There are some steps people can take to make their house more bush fire resistant. In the defence of some homeowners Australia does has some silly rules that prevent property owners from removing trees without a prolonged consent process. Perhaps Canada has the same rules.

All I can say to the people of Fort McMurray is expect this to happen more often in the future like it does in Australia.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly the forest close to Fort McMurray is not exactly criss-crossed with fire-breaks! Looks like this is a novel event in this area. Google earth is instructive: httpsbeware scammersmaps/BV8D5BsSpQ12
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://calgarybuzz.com/2016/05/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-update-alberta-premier/
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting closer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fort-mcmurray-oilsands-sites-fire-1.3585921

https://robertscribbler.com/2016/05/17/the-beast-growls-warming-induced-wildfire-again-doubles-in-size-burns-tar-sands-workers-camp/
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Guardian

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Plans to allow evacuees to return to were being challenged by the continued threat of the fire as well as the heavy blanket of smoke that stubbornly hovers in the region. On Monday the air quality index, normally measured on a scale of 1 to 10, had soared to 38.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dozens dead in huge wildfire in Portugal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40324006

Said to be worsened by recent exceptionally hot and dry weather.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now, a major wildfire in California, said to be the worst in the history of California.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-41141001/wildfires-sweep-areas-of-california
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's Naomi Klein on what turned out to be something of a bus driver's holiday:

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/09/in-a-summer-of-wildfires-and-hurricanes-my-son-asks-why-is-everything-going-wrong/
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
Here's Naomi Klein on what turned out to be something of a bus driver's holiday:

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/09/in-a-summer-of-wildfires-and-hurricanes-my-son-asks-why-is-everything-going-wrong/



Excellent. She is a superb writer. Warning: very long article but chocka with stories.

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One local official recommends a trip to the mall.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inferno in California - at least 10 dead

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/california-fires/index.html
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