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Holy Grail of energy policy in sight

 
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Lord Beria3



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:53 pm    Post subject: Holy Grail of energy policy in sight Reply with quote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/08/10/holy-grail-of-energy-policy-in-sight-as-battery-technology-smash/

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The world's next energy revolution is probably no more than five or ten years away. Cutting-edge research into cheap and clean forms of electricity storage is moving so fast that we may never again need to build 20th Century power plants in this country, let alone a nuclear white elephant such as Hinkley Point.

The US Energy Department is funding 75 projects developing electricity storage, mobilizing teams of scientists at Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and the elite Lawrence Livermore and Oak Ridge labs in a bid for what it calls the 'Holy Grail' of energy policy.

You can track what they are doing at the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E). There are plans for hydrogen bromide, or zinc-air batteries, or storage in molten glass, or next-generation flywheels, many claiming "drastic improvements" that can slash storage costs by 80pc to 90pc and reach the magical figure of $100 per kilowatt hour in relatively short order.

“Storage is a huge deal,” says Ernest Moniz, the US Energy Secretary and himself a nuclear physicist. He is now confident that the US grid and power system will be completely "decarbonised" by the middle of the century.

The technology is poised to overcome the curse of 'intermittency' that has long bedevilled wind and solar. Surges of excess power will be stored for use later at times when the sun sets, and consumption peaks in the early evening.


Ambrose is back again on the prospects of revolutionary advances on battery storage.

Not sure what to think about this. There is no doubt some interesting and positive developments on the way but can it transform and save us from the post-peak oil realities we face?

I am not so sure myself.

Suspect that some of these technologies, if commercialised, will soften the blows of decline but won't be able to replace our dependence on fossil fuels.

What do you think?
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boisdevie



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's another of these 'technology can save us' things that makes us hope we can carry on as usual - bit like all the hooha with electric cars. Am I allowed to use the word 'bullshit' in this forum?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK uses about 35GW average. Time 75 to give 3 days supply in GWh.

2.6 TWh or 2.6 Billion KWh at $ 100 / KWh = £200 B approx.

Still a lot of money. Of course we won't need that much backup, probably half would do. About 5 new nuclear power stations....
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Battery storage is not energy. It is energy storage. For the most part, the global industrial world's problem is not enough energy.
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Little John



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boisdevie wrote:
I think it's another of these 'technology can save us' things that makes us hope we can carry on as usual - bit like all the hooha with electric cars. Am I allowed to use the word 'bullshit' in this forum?
yes
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boisdevie wrote:
I think it's another of these 'technology can save us' things that makes us hope we can carry on as usual


Shirley better than not doing it.....?
And your alternative is doing nothing at all.....??

All we can influence is the speed of descent.
In my opinion, a slower, controlled descent is better all round than the chaos of a sudden crash.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A catastrophic collapse would be better for everything else on earth. If it was slow and "controlled" it gives more time for these ******* humans to **** up even more of the planet.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
A catastrophic collapse would be better for everything else on earth. If it was slow and "controlled" it gives more time for these ******* humans to **** up even more of the planet.
Yes. Quite so.
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