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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
if there are not major problems for the world in the next few years I will be very surprised.

I feel that would be true regardless of who led the USA for the next four years. After all Hillary had demonstrated no adeptness at dealing with international problems.
Trump is just one man and he is surrounding himself with some very capable people on the foreign policy side so might very well end up doing a good job of it. Not that I think he has a clue what to do or not do by himself but he appears to be smart enough to sub that task out to people that are competent.
" Wishful thinking" I'm sure some will chime in but it is the best face I can put on it today.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone who's prepared to speak plainly to trump.


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In 7 weeks, you'll be responsible for 330 million lives, and you can't think of anything better to do than tweet about a comedy show. You know that actual lives are at stake, right?ÖDo you know how many trans people were murdered since Election Day? Do you know how many veterans killed themselves? Do you know how many children went to bed tonight without enough food to eat?Ē


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, which of these were not true before Trump was elected?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, at least the number of trans-gender people murdered since election day.

I really don't see the benefit of your post. Would you like to enlighten us? Just throwig a question back is a lazy approach to discussion. I might be guilty of that, but I thought you were better at debating than that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is your post that was lazy wood-burner. It quoted an overt assertion that Trump was responsible for things that have been brewing for years in the USA for a variety of reasons. You have now, apparently, backtracked onto the single issue of trans-gender people being harmed/killed in greater numbers since the election of Trump. Okay, then, can you point to evidence of this single issue please? If you can, I will be happy to accept it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest from Kunstler puts the economic plight into sharp relief:

James Howard Kunstler: Trumpxuberance...Until it's not

James Howard Kunstler wrote:
Poor Trumpís mammoth ego has led him by the snout into a deadfall trap. The Trumpublican voters and cheerleaders expect another Morning in America miracle. Sorry, been there, done that, that was then, this is now. Conditions were quite different in 1981. For one thing, a brutal decade after the 1970 all-time US oil production peak, the Alaska North Slope fields came into full flow, along with the North Sea and Siberian fields.


A scathing critique of the Neoliberal policies pursued from the Reagan/Thatcher era onwards.
Putting everything into the Peak Oil perspective:
James Howard Kunstler wrote:
American oil companies can no longer make a buck doing their thing. Exxon-Mobilís U.S. production business lost $477 million in the third quarter, the seventh straight quarter in the red. Why? Because it costs a lot more to get the stuff out of the ground than it did ten years ago, and that high cost is bankrupting oil companies and industrial economies. That is the stealth action of Peak Oil that so many people pretend is not happening. It will ultimately destroy the banking system.


I posted about the travails of ExxonMobil not so long ago on this thread

A crash is inevitable - it will probably blow in the earlier stages of Trump's presidency
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raspberry-blower wrote:
The latest from Kunstler puts the economic plight into sharp relief:

James Howard Kunstler: Trumpxuberance...Until it's not

James Howard Kunstler wrote:
Poor Trumpís mammoth ego has led him by the snout into a deadfall trap. The Trumpublican voters and cheerleaders expect another Morning in America miracle. Sorry, been there, done that, that was then, this is now. Conditions were quite different in 1981. For one thing, a brutal decade after the 1970 all-time US oil production peak, the Alaska North Slope fields came into full flow, along with the North Sea and Siberian fields.


A scathing critique of the Neoliberal policies pursued from the Reagan/Thatcher era onwards.
Putting everything into the Peak Oil perspective:
James Howard Kunstler wrote:
American oil companies can no longer make a buck doing their thing. Exxon-Mobilís U.S. production business lost $477 million in the third quarter, the seventh straight quarter in the red. Why? Because it costs a lot more to get the stuff out of the ground than it did ten years ago, and that high cost is bankrupting oil companies and industrial economies. That is the stealth action of Peak Oil that so many people pretend is not happening. It will ultimately destroy the banking system.


I posted about the travails of ExxonMobil not so long ago on this thread

A crash is inevitable - it will probably blow in the earlier stages of Trump's presidency
You were debated to a standstill on that other thread. Poor form to just move it over and start again.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
raspberry-blower wrote:
The latest from Kunstler puts the economic plight into sharp relief:

James Howard Kunstler: Trumpxuberance...Until it's not

James Howard Kunstler wrote:
Poor Trumpís mammoth ego has led him by the snout into a deadfall trap. The Trumpublican voters and cheerleaders expect another Morning in America miracle. Sorry, been there, done that, that was then, this is now. Conditions were quite different in 1981. For one thing, a brutal decade after the 1970 all-time US oil production peak, the Alaska North Slope fields came into full flow, along with the North Sea and Siberian fields.


A scathing critique of the Neoliberal policies pursued from the Reagan/Thatcher era onwards.
Putting everything into the Peak Oil perspective:
James Howard Kunstler wrote:
American oil companies can no longer make a buck doing their thing. Exxon-Mobilís U.S. production business lost $477 million in the third quarter, the seventh straight quarter in the red. Why? Because it costs a lot more to get the stuff out of the ground than it did ten years ago, and that high cost is bankrupting oil companies and industrial economies. That is the stealth action of Peak Oil that so many people pretend is not happening. It will ultimately destroy the banking system.


I posted about the travails of ExxonMobil not so long ago on this thread

A crash is inevitable - it will probably blow in the earlier stages of Trump's presidency
You were debated to a standstill on that other thread. Poor form to just move it over and start again.


Actually VT I will return to that when ExxonMobil next report earnings - when they will again disappoint. Because, unlike your opinion masquerading as fact, I am more interested in actual reality of it all.
On this thread you should be discussing how Trump plans to deal with such challenges - a good indicator of how he intends to go about this is his appointment of Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This you tube video is so funny - you just have to watch it and laugh.... this is the American President elect..... the soon to be leader of the Western world... Laughing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won £350 betting on trump to win it was the first time I have ever placed a bet in a betting shop, I think no question I would have voted for him over Hillary, hopefully, he will join with the Russians and others to fight our real enemies jihadis.

Our big problem in Europe is traitors opening the door to jihadis, trump understands that. I'm looking forward to his presidency
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Jonny
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ianwelsh.net/2016-in-retrospect/

You should read this woodburner... might educate you a bit on why Trump won and why liberals like yourself have a huge responsibility for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonny2mad wrote:
I won £350 betting on trump to win it was the first time I have ever placed a bet in a betting shop, I think no question I would have voted for him over Hillary, hopefully, he will join with the Russians and others to fight our real enemies jihadis.

Our big problem in Europe is traitors opening the door to jihadis, trump understands that. I'm looking forward to his presidency


Congratulations jonny2mad, I made £2,400 on my Trump bets plus £40 on Brexit. Not bad work!!!

Just placed a small wager on Le Pen but not convinced she will win even if I have a sneaking suspicion that she could pull it off.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi little john hope you had a nice Christmas

well done beria, I should have bet more and certainly should have bet earlier, the odds when he first ran were incredible and a friend of a friend put a £1000 on him when he first ran, he personally knows trump, the odds may have been a 100 or more to one.

I was thinking about le Penn but she's not as sure a thing as trump I may bet on her but the odds are not great so may do it closer to the election. it was the first time I have ever placed a bet in a betting shop I knew he was going to win.

I was talking to the bookmaker and he said it was funny how some people were certain he would win, even though all the experts thought he didn't have a chance
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Beria, me and you can watch all the clips with people laughing at trump and saying he didn't have a chance and at the time we knew he would prove them wrong. I actually watched his rallies and Bernie's and Hillary's and you could see they were underestimating him
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