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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lurkalot wrote:
with regards to the possibility , however slim or even immanent , of Trump being impeached ....
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Anyway back to the point , Pence better , worse or the same as Trump?

I think Pence would be far better then Trump. He has actual government experience and is not on the ego trip Trump can't seem to let go of.
His largest drawback is his extreme religious views which would be held in check by the courts and Congress.
But being better then Trump is a very low bar to jump over. I don't think Pence could win the Republican nomination in 2020 even if he gets to fill out part of Trump's term.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He must be pretty bad though - after all, you don't get to be a psychopath's running mate and VP by being normal.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating article posted by G Mark Towhey about the similarities and differences between Toronto Mayor Rob Ford and Donald Trump.

Towhey describes himself thus:

Mark Towhey wrote:
I am not a typical American, either. In fact, I’m a Canadian. I was a key player on the team that helped elect Rob Ford as mayor of Toronto—North America’s fourth largest city. I helped him craft a campaign platform that resonated with typical Torontonians and, later, helped him translate that platform into an actionable governing agenda. I helped him get things done. Three years later, Ford fired me as his chief of staff when I insisted that he go to rehab to address the personal demons that were destroying both him and his mayoralty. My experience with Ford has given me an unusual perspective on the recent presidential election, the Trump phenomenon, and the rise of a new and powerful political force that favors unorthodox candidates.


He explains, in great clarity about how the likes of Ford and Trump get elected in the first place. He also illustrates key differences between the two:

Mark Towhey wrote:
This is why hundreds of thousands of people loved Rob Ford. It’s also why he wasn’t as effective as he might have been. By focusing entirely on the immediate problems facing residents, he often missed opportunities to step back and identify the bigger, systemic issue that was causing those problems. But people saw that he at least attempted to solve noticeable and growing problems that had not been addressed by the conventional political class.

In Donald Trump’s case, I am not convinced that he is genuinely moved by the plight of the typical American. He’s the epitome of establishment success. Whether billions or millions, he has enjoyed a comfortable and luxurious life by trading on the equity of his surname and the moxie of his deal-making. He’s a smart businessman who recognized a gap in the political market for a candidate who would champion the overlooked wants and needs of typical Americans. Whether he will remain true to those people as a guiding principle remains to be seen.


I doubt that Trump will lead a more pragmatic presidency though.

G. Mark Towhey: Rob Ford, Donald Trump and the new direction of political polarization
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Cool Trump picks Scott Pruitt to head (or should I say to dismantle) the EPA.
This should make an interesting confirmation hearing.
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President-Elect Trump's appointment of Scott Pruitt is a breath of fresh air. No longer do we have to suffer under President Obama's ridiculous EPA climate regulations. It is also refreshing that a Republican President is not throwing the EPA over to the green activists and the media by appointing a weak administrator. Christine Todd Whitman he is not! See:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/12/07/trump-ignores-gores-advice-instead-picks-skeptic-to-head-epa-dismantle-climate-agenda/


He also has chosen the one time head of Exxon Mobile as secretary of state.


Exxon deliberately misled public on climate science, say researchers

No! Get away! I cannot believe this! Fúck, where can I get on a panel of 'researchers' like these? I've often stated the bleedin' obvious myself, to my shame.

And note, investigations into their lies focus on how they've duped investors, not on the criminal damage they've done and will continue to do.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fascinating article posted by G Mark Towhey about the similarities and differences between Toronto Mayor Rob Ford and Donald Trump.


Yeah, some good, honest points, particularly about how ordinary voters have too much to contend with already, without contemplating broader issues and people who read and write such articles are 'not typical'. Wink

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He vowed to privatize garbage collection to reduce costs, improve service, and prevent future strikes.


He's right on one thing: it'll prevent strikes - through fear, fear of losing one's job; employment rights are stripped away once privatisation is granted. We all know this.

But I can tell you from experience and observation, privatisation does not reduce refuse collection costs and it does not improve its service.

He says it's "already working in one quarter of the city"; either (1) he's naive, or (2) it's a controlled experiment or (3) the authority still holds power over prices and level of service, in which case it's not really privatisation.

I do like this line, it made me smile:

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Typical Americans have spent decades electing smarter people who call themselves Republicans or Democrats. After each election, they’ve waited for their lives to improve, even just a little bit, to no avail.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:


However:

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He vowed to privatize garbage collection to reduce costs, improve service, and prevent future strikes.


He's right on one thing: it'll prevent strikes - through fear, fear of losing one's job; employment rights are stripped away once privatisation is granted. We all know this.

But I can tell you from experience and observation, privatisation does not reduce refuse collection costs and it does not improve its service.

He says it's "already working in one quarter of the city"; either (1) he's naive, or (2) it's a controlled experiment or (3) the authority still holds power over prices and level of service, in which case it's not really privatisation.



I actually work in the Waste Management sector and I am certainly not going to disagree with you on that!
As for the "already working in one quarter of the city" I would think the most likely explanation to be a combination of 2 & 3
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just childish: reversing Obama's overtly sensible policy of banning the sale of plastic water bottles from national parks

Mind you, whatever people were allowed to buy as alternatives were probably, errmm, "throwaway" too.

Oh and hey, guess what?

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the new direction came a mere three weeks after the Senate confirmation of David Bernhardt as deputy interior secretary. As The Post reports, “Bernhardt is a former lobbyist with the law firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, which has represented one of the largest water bottlers in the United States...”


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Critics of Bernhardt have called him a “walking conflict of interest” because of his work for corporations opposed to Interior Department regulations devoted to promoting clean air and water.


America, land of the free-to-fúck-up-the-planet.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just re-reading Taleb's Black Swan and noted this:

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Those who have followed the assertive idiot rather than the introspective wise person have passed us some of their genes. This is apparent from a social pathology: psychopaths rally followers.


He was probably thinking of Bush child at the time of writing but hey, a truism is a truism.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting (as if it could be anything but) interview with John Pilger.

And it gets even more interesting around 7 minutes in.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joel Clement, science bod has blown the whistle and resigned:

http://www.iflscience.com/policy/government-scientist-who-blew-the-whistle-on-the-trump-administration-has-resigned/
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile Trump's Scottish golf ventures are struggling:

Indy: Losses at Trump's Scottish Golf Resorts Have Doubled

Expect them to be bailed out in the next round of QE

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RenewableCandy wrote:
Joel Clement, science bod has blown the whistle and resigned:

http://www.iflscience.com/policy/government-scientist-who-blew-the-whistle-on-the-trump-administration-has-resigned/


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Families in the path of devastating hurricanes, businesses in coastal communities experiencing frequent and severe flooding, fishermen pulling up empty nets due to warming seas, medical professionals working to understand new disease vectors, farming communities hit by floods of biblical proportions, and owners of forestlands laid waste by invasive insects. These are just a few of the impacts Americans face.


Few is right. Fair play to the guy but I'd say he's not scathing enough.
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If I could vote in these two situations, here are my first preferences.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bizarrely I think I prefer trump to pence.

Why?

Because both are trying to pull things the wrong way, but only Pence is actually competent as a politician. Trump is competent, but only as an asset-stripper.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
Bizarrely I think I prefer trump to pence.

Why?

Because both are trying to pull things the wrong way, but only Pence is actually competent as a politician. Trump is competent, but only as an asset-stripper.

I don't think the USA can afford much more of Trump's political incompetence.
Yesterday we had another Republican senator announce he would not run for reelection and soundly criticized Trump in the process. You have to go back to the Nixon era to find senators from the presidents own party speaking out publicly in such terms.
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