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woodburner



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there going to be a surge in support for military action? That’s what Cameron thought about Syria. That didn’t work out. Then there was Bliar’s Iraq fiasco. Military action acainst Iran would be the ultimate tom-foolery (that won’t stop the fools of course). If any thing happens it is almost certain a small middle eastern country will wade in with a nuclear weapon. Then it’s all over, for all of us.

A totally hung parliament would be a good idea, especially if they carry on obfuscating about brexit. They could think about a totally hung EU comission while they are about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7264349/Voters-want-No-Deal-Brexit-no-Brexit-says-new-poll-showing-public-divided.html

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The British public is increasingly polarised after months of Brexit chaos and is split between those wanting to leave without a deal and those who want to stay in the EU, a new poll shows.

Voters on both sides of the Brexit divide have lost their appetite for another delay to the decision on whether to quit and whether to revoke the Article 50 process and stay within the trade block, it suggests.


Either no-deal or no-Brexit. With Johnson in charge probability of a hard Brexit is rising.

Even Berenberg Bank are finally seeing the light...

https://twitter.com/Berenberg_Econ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Hard Brexit now on 40% probability, higher than the other possibilities.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
UE - you have no idea how happy that last statement made me Wink

War with Iran remains a long-shot though. Little appetite for war among US or UK public.


Not a land invasion. But a significant response nonetheless.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remember not be too eager to do a deal with the US and end up with their low standards.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
War with Iran remains a long-shot though. Little appetite for war among US or UK public.

Can you see parliament voting for military action against Iran within the next few months... not going to happen. Doesn't seem like there are any British people on these ships, no one's been killed... and to what end would any conflict be.

We aren't going to war with Iran any time soon.

woodburner wrote:
Just remember not be too eager to do a deal with the US and end up with their low standards.

Surely any deal with the US would involve brining them up to our standards... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:


We aren't going to war with Iran any time soon.



I might be completely wrong about this.

But, I do spend a lot of time hanging around on all sorts of places on the internet talking about politics, and I have sensed a shift in opinion tonight. Iran will be given a few days to release the ship. If it fails to do so, I think there will be a western military response within two weeks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry UE not feeling it myself.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
woodburner wrote:
Just remember not be too eager to do a deal with the US and end up with their low standards.

Surely any deal with the US would involve brining them up to our standards... Twisted Evil


That's what I don't understand about those pushing for a hard Brexit.
The inevitable consequence will be a closer 'union' with the US and all that brings....., including being their military 'lap dog'....
Assume those Hard Brexiteers actually want that ???
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a typical Remainer false dichotomy.

People voted to regain sovereign independence. Not swap one master for another
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are going to be sorely disappointed.

First minister has resigned at the prospect of Johnson PM. Won't be the last.

BBC are reporting Johnson victory as more or less a done deal.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
They are going to be sorely disappointed.

First minister has resigned at the prospect of Johnson PM. Won't be the last.

BBC are reporting Johnson victory as more or less a done deal.
Whether or not they are going to be disappointed is in the future and depends on a number of factors neither you nor I can confidently predict with any honesty.

What can be said, however, is that more democracy is better than less democracy. Unless, of course, one believes otherwise.

Do you believe otherwise?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jo Swinson is the new Lib Dem leader, by a significant margin.

It will be interesting to see if this result affects the LD poll ratings.

Democracy in this country is by parliamentary representation, for better or worse. The EU referendum was advisory, not compulsory. The two main parties did promise to follow it in the last election, but breaking election promises is more or less the normal from our parliamentary history.

Do you mean democracy where all policies are decided by plebicite and are irreversible in future plebiscites the light of new evidence?

Or do you democracy where the decisions are democratic when you agree with them?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The voters were promised a "once in a generation" referendum and the entire political class promised to respect the result, whether Remain or Leave.

Its up to the political class to deliver on what they promised the British people.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding Duncan, he exhibits all the signs of Boris Derangement Syndrome (BDS) among senior Tory ranks (and the wider metropolitan elite).

I'm not a big fan of Boris (like many, I have my doubts about him) but I do find amusing the hysteria and loathing he seems to trigger among elements of the elites and wider public.

So, for that reason alone, I will find the mild hysteria of BDS very amusing assuming that he wins the leadership tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
The voters were promised a "once in a generation" referendum and the entire political class promised to respect the result, whether Remain or Leave.

Its up to the political class to deliver on what they promised the British people.


They lied, as they often do. If they had really meant that they would have made it legally binding rather than advisor, as was case with AV referendum.
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