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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:16 am    Post subject: Corbyn promises Green Industrial Revolution Reply with quote

https://www.energyvoice.com/otherenergy/205685/corbyn-promises-green-industrial-revolution-under-labour/
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all has to be paid for by someone...

...our grandchildren probably.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it doesn't and especially not our grandchildren. The government can magic up the money itself for free instead of the banks doing it for them and charging for the privilege.

Watch this video - Money as Debt
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course no one has to pay for it. The money will indeed be magic, from taxing carbon, simples.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I should have said it has to paid for by us and I hope our grandchildren will reap the benefits of such a wise and prescient investment.

My advice to Mr Corbin is to go for the low hanging fruit first with the quickest rate of return. Whether this is energy recovery, heat pumps, insulation or whatever I have no idea but perhaps a bit of research on the results of the previous "Warm Front" program should have been learned and lessons learned.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want less government involvement in my life, not more.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boisdevie wrote:
I want less government involvement in my life, not more.


Do you mean early Victorian levels of less government and the squalor and exploitation that went with it. Less government is OK if you can trust industry to raise standards but the results of industry being given the responsibility for standards is a race to the bottom.

If you take the building industry as an example, since the Parker Morris space standards have been removed new housing in the UK has got smaller by the year. When asked by Gordon Brown to increase insulation standards voluntarily the answer was a resounding silence and no improvement at all. If the building regulations requirements for housing were removed you would see a return to houses with virtually no insulation almost over night at that pesky cavity insulation was dropped instantly.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where imposed standards are a necessity for a civilised life bought on by the failings of the market economy.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="kenneal - lagger"]
boisdevie wrote:
I want less government involvement in my life, not more.


Do you mean early Victorian levels of less government and the squalor and exploitation that went with it. - yes of course I want more squalor. In particular I'd like poor people to suffer.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BritDownUnder wrote:
"..... but perhaps a bit of research on the results of the previous "Warm Front" program should have been learned and lessons learned.

Surely you jest!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boisdevie wrote:
I want less government involvement in my life, not more.


An American at heart!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
boisdevie wrote:
I want less government involvement in my life, not more.


An American at heart!!!


There's only half a percentage point difference between the US and USA when it comes to government spending as percentage of GDP - they're both shit

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/government-spending-to-gdp
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:

Unfortunately, we live in a world where imposed standards are a necessity for a civilised life bought on by the failings of the market economy.


Maybe that is how you folks have managed to screw up your economy.

Try not to ascribe your countries failings to others, some market economies are happily not failing and quite happily continuing to civilize as we go!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boisdevie wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
boisdevie wrote:
I want less government involvement in my life, not more.


An American at heart!!!


There's only half a percentage point difference between the US and USA when it comes to government spending as percentage of GDP - they're both shit

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/government-spending-to-gdp


I always thought the US and USA were synonymous?

As far as your metric (assuming you actually meant UK), of course government spending metrics are shit. The difference in this case being this metric means the UK can have only 1 aircraft carrier (running on....liquid fuel...how quaint!), whereas the US can field 11, the combined deckspace of which is twice as much as all the rest of the world's carriers combined.

Same metric, far different results! Ameri-CAN in action! Any chance with all your equivalent government spending metric you can become the world's only global military superpower? Or is the Ameri- CAN DO spirit lacking? Perhaps your government is just waiting around for the Queen to give you all permission to be more CAN DO...?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least we can all afford an ambulance if we have an accident or get knifed instead of getting shot.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
At least we can all afford an ambulance if we have an accident or get knifed instead of getting shot.


Turns out, here in America, many don't need to afford an ambulance because one is usually called and provided for us, if we are knifed or shot. Where it gets sticky is when the hospital has got you into a semi-alive state, and can't do anything else for you beyond that. And sends you a bill. THAT'S when it gets dicey.

Good for you though, all having an ambulance paid for. Us Americans are willing to give up some minor niceties in order to rule the world. Smile
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