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General Election June 8
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raspberry-blower



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
raspberry-blower wrote:

Still wondering why Brexit happened?


It hasn't happened, yet. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4609352/Will-new-Lib-Dem-leader-deal-PM.html

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Will new Lib Dem leader do deal with the PM? Party and the Conservatives hold secret meeting opening up the prospect of another coalition

Talks opened after Lib Dem leader Tim Farron stepped down on Wednesday

Farron had ruled out pacts during his time as leader of the party

There is a feeling that the new party leader may agree to a deal

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened to that Dutch Russian mate of Camerons who lived in spain??
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.metro.news/queens-speech-to-go-ahead-with-or-without-dup-deal/639594/

So the next piece of the puzzle falls into place. There is no deal with the DUP and TM has decided to raise the stakes. Go ahead with a Queen's Speech even without a deal, and hope it passes. If the DUP don't support her, they can expect a vote of no confidence to follow. Then what?

The Fixed Term Parliament Act is now potentially a major headache, because the opposition cannot force a general election, even if TM loses a vote of no confidence. Two thirds of MPs would have to vote for it, and I am guessing that insufficient tories would support it. Which could potentially leave us with a totally dysfunctional house of commons that can't even agree to dissolve itself.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
The Fixed Term Parliament Act is now potentially a major headache, because the opposition cannot force a general election, even if TM loses a vote of no confidence.

Try reading the Act before saying things about it.

If the DUP are asking for silly things (like a march to drumcree) she can but run a minority government without confidence and supply.

"Confidence" and supply because a no confidence vote can lead to a General Election even if 2/3rds of MPs don't want an election.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnhemming2 wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
The Fixed Term Parliament Act is now potentially a major headache, because the opposition cannot force a general election, even if TM loses a vote of no confidence.

Try reading the Act before saying things about it.

If the DUP are asking for silly things (like a march to drumcree) she can but run a minority government without confidence and supply.

"Confidence" and supply because a no confidence vote can lead to a General Election even if 2/3rds of MPs don't want an election.


Ah, sorry. I had read somewhere else that votes of no confidence no longer led to an automatic dissolving of Parliament.

But we could presumably still end up with a paralysed parliament if the DUP support the tories in the vote of no confidence but refuse to support her on anything else.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Votes of no confidence don't automatically lead to an election, but if an alternative government is not formed within I think 14 days then an election occurs.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/14/contents/enacted

The biggest problem will probably be the financial consequences of brexit which may result in us having to have some material cuts in public spending.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like that stupid railway to Brum?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be too good to hope for.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is entirely possible that the financial problems will result in the proposals to increase rail capacity to be dropped.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we flog Gibraltar to the Spanish and the parasites make do with 50 other tax havens.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Queens speech cancelled" So at to give more time for brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40317814

Note that this refers to next years Queens speech, the one due tomorrow is now postponed until Wednesday.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps MPs could take 3 weeks from their Xmas hols - leaving still more than teachers get, just to pick up the pace..
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resonant characterisation of the dupers "Ulster Fry" modus operandi by Ian Jack in Saturdays Grauniad! They and the tories truly deserve each other.

Theresa May’s new partners at Westminster aren’t notable comics – “laugh and the world laughs with you” has never been their motto – so their have-cake-and-eat-it policy has to be admired for its sheer bravura. It isn’t so much a cake, in fact, as an entire Ulster breakfast that they want to see sizzling and permanently undiminished on their plate while at the same time forking it, item by fried item – potato farls followed by sausage followed by bacon, eggs and black pudding – down their ready gullets.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another van plows into pedestrians in London. This one appears to be a revenge attack on Muslims near a mosque. So far no reports of fatalities.
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