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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
To get things changed in this country, you need to make a big noise....



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About time we knock down these horrible high rise buildings across the country.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
About time we knock down these horrible high rise buildings across the country.


Better be quick, any day now English Heritage will probably list them !
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trellick tower, Kendal town grade 2*,. Same council.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
About time we knock down these horrible high rise buildings across the country.


& where would you plan to house all the people.....??

A rough estimate was 600 people living in Genfell Tower....,
There are approximately 4,000 Tower Blocks in the UK.....,

That's a lot of people LB.......,
But I guess you don't agree with building on Green Belt land either....
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there are 4000 towers with 600 residents. Anyone know how many people live in towers over (say) 10 floors?


Interesting how in the computer game Sim City, the high rise Arcology was the peak of residential development:

http://simcity.wikia.com/wiki/Arcology
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
I don't think there are 4000 towers with 600 residents.


Maybe not, but the number is still large.
The point remains valid - where would LB plan to house all these people ?
Or does he wish that they weren't here, so that the problem would conveniently disappear...?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Better be quick, any day now English Heritage will probably list them !


I spent most of my working life in restoration and an incident always sticks in my mind. Working at some stately house or other an architect said to how wonderful it must be to work on Britain's heritage all the time to which one old guy replied that "this isn't my heritage , mine is back to backs , two up two downs , pokey overcrowded little places full of damp" to which he could easily have added tower blocks all of which are the heritage of the majority of people. I'm not a fan of tower blocks and the like but watching that architect stammer and squirm was a joy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Develop sustainable and affordable social housing on brownfield sites to rehouse residents from high rise buildings.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tower blocks aren't unsafe

Providing you design them properly and build them to the highest standard and keep uprating that as technology improves
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are few brownfield sites left since big industry disappeared 40 years ago in Britain. They are already landscaped.

The media is still pushing the narrative that the problem was the cladding. Notice how this is before the fire reports etc. Every photo I have seen shows the block burning totally thoughout internally from side to side. IMO, there is way more to this than we have been informed. Any more about that gas pipe? The blogger who talked about d-notices, and then said no may have been telling you plenty. As all MPs and media will know you are not supposed to report that there is a d-notice - therefore...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
Develop sustainable and affordable social housing on brownfield sites to rehouse residents from high rise buildings.


Great in theory, but as with so many of your posts, not grounded in any form of reality....
How many brownfield sites do you think there are in central London...?
Or would you plan to relocate the people to Middlesbrough, Stoke etc.
Even there, brownfield sites are at a premium and most of the ones that can be redeveloped are already being looked at....
And then you'd need to employ those people in Middlesbrough, Stoke etc.

It's more difficult, but I think we're taking the right path....
Rectify problems and bring the towers up to the standard they should have been in the first place.....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:
Develop sustainable and affordable social housing on brownfield sites to rehouse residents from high rise buildings.


Great in theory, but as with so many of your posts, not grounded in any form of reality....
How many brownfield sites do you think there are in central London...?
Or would you plan to relocate the people to Middlesbrough, Stoke etc.
Even there, brownfield sites are at a premium and most of the ones that can be redeveloped are already being looked at....
And then you'd need to employ those people in Middlesbrough, Stoke etc.

It's more difficult, but I think we're taking the right path....
Rectify problems and bring the towers up to the standard they should have been in the first place.....


Four of Rochdale's Seven Sisters tower blocks could be demolished:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-seven-sisters-college-bank-13242086
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised that no photo journalist has not gone through one or more of the other towers with a building and fire inspector in tow and produced an expose piece of the current conditions for the evening news.
LB why replace them on "brown fields"? Would you want to raise your children on polluted grounds that had supposedly been cleaned up by contractors supervised by an incompetent government?
If you want energy efficient walk-able communities Then you want more high rises not less with the ground floors containing retail and commercial establishments and other floors providing community services such as schools and health clinics.
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This piece comes at an appropriate time.

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It will be a long time before we know exactly what caused the horrific fire in the Grenfell Tower, and why it was able to rage so freely, with such devastating loss of life. But it seems at this stage likely that the rapidity with which the fire spread was either caused or exacerbated by the cladding with which the tower was refurbished. There have been plenty of warnings that cladding of this kind presents a severe fire risk. To give just one example, in 1999 the House of Commons select committee on environment, transport and rural affairs published a report called “Potential Risk of Fire Spread in Buildings Via External Cladding Systems”.


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Like the measures that would have saved the lives of people in Grenfell Tower, the protections required to prevent further disasters for nature in this country are denounced by the government, the billionaire press and corporate lobbyists as “red tape”.

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