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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject: Plague at risk of spreading to mainland Africa Reply with quote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5046017/World-Bank-responds-calls-help-battle-plague.html

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The deadly plague epidemic that has rocked the island of Madagascar could reach mainland Africa, a respected disease expert has warned.
The outbreak, which has been described the worst in 50 years’ and has now reached ‘crisis’ point, has prompted World Health Organization officials to place nine African countries on high alert.

South Africa, Seychelles, La Reunion, Mozambique, Tanzania, Kenya, Ethiopia, Comoros and Mauritius have all been told to brace for potential cases in the coming weeks.

Today Paul Hunter, professor of health protection at the world-renowned University of East Anglia, is the first expert to predict it could reach mainland Africa.
Speaking to MailOnline exclusively, he said: ‘The big anxiety is that it could spread to mainland Africa, it’s not probable, but certainly possible, that might then be difficult to control.’

‘If we don’t carry on doing stuff here, at one point something will happen and it will get out of hand control cause huge devastation all around the world.’

An analysis of plague cases by this website has revealed they have spiraled by nearly 40 per cent in less than week, with figures showing that at least 1,800 are now infected with the ‘medieval disease’ which has claimed 127 lives. The epidemic could strike a further 20,000 people in just a matter of weeks if current trends continue.


Greer has warned on his blog that this specific plague could turn into a global pandemic.

Definitely one to watch...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will try and fix it with drugs, they will fail. Nutrition would be a better approach. In the long term globally, so many people are going to die, doing nothing may be unacceptable, but may be the only realistic solution.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nutrition doesn't stop plague last time I looked. bubonic plague has (from what I just googled) a 50% death rate for untreated victims and pneumonic has 100% fatality rate for untreated vicitims.

In this case giving them better food isn't going to really change things although in general it would be a good idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In developed countries, plague is often treatable with antibiotics and other drugs.
In less developed places, treatment is rather more problematic due to the prevalence of "traditional beliefs"
Remember Ebola, and all those who refused to believe that it even WAS an actual disease.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ebola and pneumonic plague are both haemorrhagic diseases and can be treated with large doses of vitamin C (nutrition), and bubonic plague can be treated with vitamin C and D. D would probably help in the cases of the other two as well, but with the amount of sun Madasgar gets, vitamin D might not be such a problem as in Northern Europe.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This vitamin C and D stuff seems to come from the usual quack sites wrt to disease and medicine. Unlikely at best to help ward off an infection such as this considering it won't even help against other common infections.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then I suggest you study the "quack" site drsuzanne.net, and while you have an arrogant dismissive view try going through these references You have much to learn. Of course, the arch quack, Linus Pauling, was the only person to ever be awarded two individual Nobel prizes. I have not been awarded any, I suspect that might be similar to the number of your awards too. One of Paulings prizes was for work on, ......... Vitamin C.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most infections soften cell walls and tissues - from the common cold upwards. Hard to know what benefit vit C has. Some people survive without any veg or fruit, so hard to guess as an individual. I wonder if we vary individually in requirements, due to with gut flora etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linus Pauling was an amazing chemist who worked on many things. However, much of what he said about vitamin C has been disproved (such as helping to cure the common cold).

Looking around the internet I'm sure it's possible to find proof to backup any claim tbh. That link you posted claims Pauling was too cautious, perhaps even he saw that the evidence wasn't anywhere near conclusive?

Also, you still haven't told us why you think vitamin c might stop plague. I'm not going to trawl through that site (or any other) - you made the claim, you need to back it up properly.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzzy wrote:
Most infections soften cell walls and tissues - from the common cold upwards. Hard to know what benefit vit C has. Some people survive without any veg or fruit, so hard to guess as an individual. I wonder if we vary individually in requirements, due to with gut flora etc.


Well, there's a link with plenty of references, on a plate, for you to research, from the beginning of the list in the link. Vitamin C neutralises toxiins. Vitamin C is ascorbic acid, and this should remove some of the difficulty in seeing the mechanism for its operation. Toxins are generated by the action of vira and bacteria and animal systems will try to neutralise the toxins. Toxins steal electrons, and since ascorbic acid has free electrons, it donates electrons, hence the neutralising. Vitamin C is also in animal tissues, some parts being better than others. We certainly vary regarding vit C requirements depending on the toxic loads. Vitamin C also strengthens cell walls and tissues, which is why it is beneficial in hemorrhagic diseases.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubes wrote:
Linus Pauling was an amazing chemist who worked on many things. However, much of what he said about vitamin C has been disproved (such as helping to cure the common cold).


Has it? Or have the big pharma lobbists been at work, as they have in every field that threatens their business model.

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Looking around the internet I'm sure it's possible to find proof to backup any claim tbh. That link you posted claims Pauling was too cautious, perhaps even he saw that the evidence wasn't anywhere near conclusive?


Perhaps you should have gone to specsavers. The link does not cite Pauling as being too cautious, it cites The Linus Pauling Institute. One quote from Pauling was ""WARNING: KEEP THIS MEDICINE OUT OF THE REACH OF EVERYBODY!
USE VITAMIN C INSTEAD!"
(Linus Pauling, PhD, twice the recipient of the Nobel Prize) "

Doesn't sound very cautious to me.

More reading......

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Also, you still haven't told us why you think vitamin c might stop plague. I'm not going to trawl through that site (or any other) - you made the claim, you need to back it up properly.


Unfortunately I am unsure what you mean by "back it up properly". As a superior intellect in these matters perhaps you could explain how I should do that. For clarity and elimination of confusion, a few examples would help.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've provided some vague links, please point to some specifics within them that might backup your argument.

I doubt "big pharma" is interested in spreading lies about vit C, imo it wouldn't make any difference to their profits at all. We all know it's important but almost being a "cure-all" seems ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubes wrote:
You've provided some vague links, please point to some specifics within them that might backup your argument.

I doubt "big pharma" is interested in spreading lies about vit C, imo it wouldn't make any difference to their profits at all. We all know it's important but almost being a "cure-all" seems ridiculous.


Vague links? There's no pleasing some people. I tell you what, you carry on with your beliefs, since I can lead a horse to water...............

Much of the research that "disproves" the effectiveness of vitamin C therapy involved such low doses it is not surprising it failed. If you are interested you can read Klenner's and Stone's books which are referred to at the bottom of the linked page in my last post. Or you could read the earlier page and look at Cathcart, Levy and Humphries to name but three. But then they are all quacks aren't they?

You obviously don't understand the mechanism, which is not surprising as you are an early stage learner, but either I just quote verbatim the contents of the pages of the researchers, or you go and read them anyway. You will be reading the same stuff in the end, and you won't have me in the middle distorting things for you if you go and read them, but then I forget, you wouldn't want to waste your time.

Either you want to learn, or you don't. Your choice. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5084903/Madagascar-s-healthcare-unable-plague.html

Plague getting worse.

I'm monitoring this situation closely.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5084903/Madagascar-s-healthcare-unable-plague.html

Plague getting worse.

I'm monitoring this situation closely.


Not sure it's 'getting worse', number of new cases have been on the decline recently:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/13/health/plague-madagascar-decline/index.html
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