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The Unabomber had a point

 
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clv101
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:11 pm    Post subject: The Unabomber had a point Reply with quote

"Technological innovation is a one-way street. Once you enter it, you are obligated to proceed, even if it leads someplace you would not have chosen to go."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-iphone-x-unabomber-technology-20170913-story.html
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He had a lot of points.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh so true:
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Among the ills he attributes to advances in technology are that they promise to improve our lives but end up imposing burdens we would not have chosen.


One of the first technological advances which was promised to remove burdens, but inflicted greater burdens, was agriculture. I'm sure LJ might have a word to say about that.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This man puts it far better than I ever could:

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2004-05-23/oil-we-eat-following-food-chain-back-iraq/

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....If you follow the energy, eventually you will end up in a field somewhere. Humans engage in a dizzying array of artifice and industry. Nonetheless, more than two thirds of humanity’s cut of primary productivity results from agriculture, two thirds of which in turn consists of three plants: rice, wheat, and corn. In the 10,000 years since humans domesticated these grains, their status has remained undiminished, most likely because they are able to store solar energy in uniquely dense, transportable bundles of carbohydrates. They are to the plant world what a barrel of refined oil is to the hydrocarbon world. Indeed, aside from hydrocarbons they are the most concentrated form of true wealth–sun energy–to be found on the planet.....

....however, the maintenance of such a concentration of wealth often requires violent action. Agriculture is a recent human experiment. For most of human history, we lived by gathering or killing a broad variety of nature’s offerings. Why humans might have traded this approach for the complexities of agriculture is an interesting and long-debated question, especially because the skeletal evidence clearly indicates that early farmers were more poorly nourished, more disease-ridden and deformed, than their hunter-gatherer contemporaries. Farming did not improve most lives. The evidence that best points to the answer, I think, lies in the difference between early agricultural villages and their pre-agricultural counterparts–the presence not just of grain but of granaries and, more tellingly, of just a few houses significantly larger and more ornate than all the others attached to those granaries. Agriculture was not so much about food as it was about the accumulation of wealth. It benefited some humans, and those people have been in charge ever since.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good appraisal, published in 2004, so circumstances are now probably much worse, which will be the cue for the "feed the human race on plants and stop them eating animals because plants are less wasteful, etc'" brigade to come out and pedal their wares. They conveniently forget that the animals could have eaten the grass grown in a more productive natural system than modern agriculture. But, hey, cows fart and fill the world with greenhouse gases. Right, and so do people when they eat carbohydrate based diets.

If you believe in modern agriculture, you will believe that vaccines have rid the world of most diseases, and that vitamins are only prescribed by quacks.

How the truth has been twisted.

PS the copyright notice at the end of the page says, in effect, wholesale re-posting is not permitted.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
This man puts it far better than I ever could:


Manning has an uncanny habit of 'nailing it'...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbUnGIxbvTM (5 mins)

His book 'Against the Grain' is well worth a read. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a theory that agriculture gave rise to the Devil...

RenewableCandy, in 'The Price of Time' wrote:
“I came into being gradually, with a change in Mortals’ behaviour. Can you guess which one?”
“Was it—” she stopped herself just in time.
“Agriculture.”
Agriculture?
“Before that, no Mortal held fear in their mind. At least, not without good reason. There’d been fear all right: fear of cold, hunger, wolves and the like, but those were practical fears: rational fears. Agriculture brought a whole new set-up. Pyramids of folk with distant, all-powerful gods at the top: fearsome gods. Not the old local spirits that anyone could blether to.
“And you asked about lifespan. I’m here for as long as Mortals live with agriculture. If you go back to the older ways, or die out, I shall cease to exist.”
Verity gazed at the little plot: the dug bed with its newly-planted beans.
If she — if humanity — wanted to eat, they were stuck with him.

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